Magus543 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Yeah, that's my question, who is M2 exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 A version of Melia who lived for 6 years in the ruined world and went insane before entity did the reset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 7:28 AM, Cyphre said: A version of Melia who lived for 6 years in the ruined world and went insane before entity did the reset. Expand So is she different from the Melia who overlapped with our Melia/ the one in the ruined world with the original owner of the Interceptor's body? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 I don't understand the question. There was one of the Melia's, we destroyed the world to nothing, that Melia lived in this nothing for 6 years (M2), then entity interfered and reset the world and this Melia (M2) took over the one where we continue Renegade route. There is literally no way to explain it any more, that's breaking it down to the most basic things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 9:46 AM, Cyphre said: I don't understand the question. There was one of the Melia's, we destroyed the world to nothing, that Melia lived in this nothing for 6 years (M2), then entity interfered and reset the world and this Melia (M2) took over the one where we continue Renegade route. There is literally no way to explain it any more, that's breaking it down to the most basic things. Expand I'm asking if this M2 is a different Melia than the one exploring the ruined world with Axe/Aevis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 9:51 AM, Magus543 said: I'm asking if this M2 is a different Melia than the one exploring the ruined world with Axe/Aevis. Expand No, thats her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 9:57 AM, Cyphre said: No, thats her. Expand Interesting. Wonder where she is in the Paragon route then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 Didnt play Karma files in Paragon yet so i feel like i'm missing a lot of context here, i will come back to this once i do it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 3, 2023 Share Posted November 3, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 10:06 AM, Cyphre said: Didnt play Karma files in Paragon yet so i feel like i'm missing a lot of context here, i will come back to this once i do it as well. Expand Ah that explains the confusion then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fellowry Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/3/2023 at 6:49 AM, Cyphre said: You fight Crescent and destroy the world by destroying Adrest, some mystical entity says "okay, now i'm forced to intervene" and resets it, so you and an insane version of Melia called M2 go around killing and torturing and deleting people with "End of Night" erasure spell. You kill Karrina, you fail to kill Ren because protagonist still needs him, then you delete Talon and Florin and burn main building of GDC to shit, then as a part of Kieran's test you delete Amber but Venam survives, M2 realises that it's a bit more than she can bite after our protagonsit threaten her and it ends on a teaser of V14 where M2 frees Cassandra. Expand Interesting, in my renegade playthrough i kill karrina after she kills Karen and Florin got executed by Flora so i kinda skip these 2, though the dialogue with Talon make sense because he got depressed that Florin and possibly her mother is dead and got revelation from "God" to kill us so he went mad. I wonder how it goes if Floris is alive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 4:22 AM, fellowry said: Interesting, in my renegade playthrough i kill karrina after she kills Karen and Florin got executed by Flora so i kinda skip these 2, though the dialogue with Talon make sense because he got depressed that Florin and possibly her mother is dead and got revelation from "God" to kill us so he went mad. I wonder how it goes if Floris is alive Expand Well in my route, Florin was backing up Talon when he fought me and M2. What happens if Florin is dead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMeemes Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Side note, sorry for interrupting this very cool Renegade route stuff, but what is the deal with Route Z? I know that there's someone there (think a new person for the 13.5 update because I certainly don't remember em any other time) but he talks about a notebook from a factory that mentioned a certain Pokemon. Any clue what this Pokemon might even be? Tried Shaymin and that didn't work so I'm stumped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPrismHunte Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Ok has anyone else redone the game from the start? Cause I'm super confused. Dream Zetta tells me he'll ask three questions. Failing them meaning it is my first time. But I'm not given the chance to choose an answer and my character just go ??? automatically falling. Is it it intentional? Or is my character pretending it is their first time? Because it really seem like the game should allow you to pick an answer to prove we've essentially time traveled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 6:30 PM, VMeemes said: Side note, sorry for interrupting this very cool Renegade route stuff, but what is the deal with Route Z? I know that there's someone there (think a new person for the 13.5 update because I certainly don't remember em any other time) but he talks about a notebook from a factory that mentioned a certain Pokemon. Any clue what this Pokemon might even be? Tried Shaymin and that didn't work so I'm stumped. Expand That was a Flabebe if i remember right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 10:37 PM, BlackPrismHunte said: Ok has anyone else redone the game from the start? Cause I'm super confused. Dream Zetta tells me he'll ask three questions. Failing them meaning it is my first time. But I'm not given the chance to choose an answer and my character just go ??? automatically falling. Is it it intentional? Or is my character pretending it is their first time? Because it really seem like the game should allow you to pick an answer to prove we've essentially time traveled. Expand It's not picking, all answers must be typed in. If you do get all of them right you gain a Puppetmaster Dubloon which leads to... some interesting stuff down the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPrismHunte Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) On 11/4/2023 at 10:48 PM, Cyphre said: It's not picking, all answers must be typed in. If you do get all of them right you gain a Puppetmaster Dubloon which leads to... some interesting stuff down the line. Expand For some reason it didn't offer me to type the answer till like reset number 13 and then it did offer. But thanks for the info. Could you tell me who the subordinate is supposed to be? I tried Zetta and a few others but it doesn't seem to be it. Edit: Never mind found it. Edited November 4, 2023 by BlackPrismHunte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whodat09 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Reveal hidden contents Anyone know how to do this azelf puzzle? I'm truly stumped haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudkip604 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 11/4/2023 at 10:48 PM, Cyphre said: It's not picking, all answers must be typed in. If you do get all of them right you gain a Puppetmaster Dubloon which leads to... some interesting stuff down the line. Expand Reveal hidden contents i started 13.5 from an old save what does this do?am i locked out of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Yes, that's something that happens during the story. A lot of the things changed and were rewritten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPrismHunte Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Still this reminds me so much of Undertale which also had this proving you can time travel to another character. To have the game acknowledge this is the second time you play and having pretty different dialogues to reflect that is super cool and really makes me want to see more. Is there any other pokemon fangame that does that? 13.5 when only taking the karma files doesn't seem that big but going through the game from the beginning it's very apparent that one is super meaty. There are so many little changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 13.5's main story is split into two, so it does feel smaller. That said, this update really is a .5 in terms of plot progression. Yeah there's a lot that happens, but the overall plot doesn't progress much. It's all character work and buildup. It's kind of wild to me that we haven't even defeated Team Xen or Madame X but the story is still throwing more and more escalating threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudkip604 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 7:18 PM, Magus543 said: 13.5's main story is split into two, so it does feel smaller. That said, this update really is a .5 in terms of plot progression. Yeah there's a lot that happens, but the overall plot doesn't progress much. It's all character work and buildup. It's kind of wild to me that we haven't even defeated Team Xen or Madame X but the story is still throwing more and more escalating threats. Expand Reveal hidden contents Yeah we finally know the 2 big bads at least i think karma and the world shatterer ,honestly if theres a true ending i hope it envolves getting rid of both and all of the core and garufa tech and return the world(and possibly all worlds) to their original state and reviving arceus, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulN7 Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Reveal hidden contents I have the gut feeling we'll defeat for sure Clear and Kieran, but with Madame X? We'll supposed to beat her, but at some points, there will be an "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy " situation and we'll have again to put forces together to defeat a bigger threat. After all, we have many threats to finish. My guess, we'll face these in this order: -Xenpurgis -Clear and Kieran (or inverted with Xenpurgis) -M2 in Renegade Route -Vitus, in the past, so in his "prime" -Madame X (inverted with Vitus, maybe) -Karma -The World Shatterer, mainly on Paragon Route Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackPrismHunte Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 Reveal hidden contents Puppet coin not found. Correcting timeline. Lmao we're getting so deep in the 4th wall shenanigan. I really didn't want to do Red Gardevoir again and look at that! I didn't have to. Biggest wtf moment I've had in this update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaStellarSolare Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 8:34 PM, SoulN7 said: Reveal hidden contents I have the gut feeling we'll defeat for sure Clear and Kieran, but with Madame X? We'll supposed to beat her, but at some points, there will be an "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy " situation and we'll have again to put forces together to defeat a bigger threat. After all, we have many threats to finish. My guess, we'll face these in this order: -Xenpurgis -Clear and Kieran (or inverted with Xenpurgis) -M2 in Renegade Route -Vitus, in the past, so in his "prime" -Madame X (inverted with Vitus, maybe) -Karma -The World Shatterer, mainly on Paragon Route Expand Reveal hidden contents But will MC face Storm-9 or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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