Spoiler Discussion

[VMeemes]

God I feel like I'm missing all the context by not playing the Renegade Route. And even then I feel like if I did I still wouldn't get it. Just don't have time for it, already likely have to restart my save because when I asked on a scale of 1-10 on how likely things are going to break Zumi said a good 8-9 just for this update alone for converted saves.

 

And I know my ass can't do Renegade, I'm too much of a completionist to purposely avoid content, even stuff I've already done. Does sound all rather interesting however.

[silverbolt0123]

Maybe I haven't played long enough with 13.5 (I'm only on the Hidden Library 3 sidequest rn) but is Karrina's backstory a plot hole now?

 

We learned a bunch of new Garufan lore from Maman Lost Souls sidequest, including the fact she (and her daughter) are sick because Garufans are cursed to live underground and being in the sun is a death sentence. But, Karrina's descended from Garufans and is actively aware of that lineage without issue, and Karen's implied to be Garufan as well and doesn't have any issues (well, physical issues). So is that something that's explained later? 

[pizzagod13]

So I posted about this elsewhere already but wanted to know if anyone else has encountered this

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This seems to happen of you fulfill a certain condition in ch11 specifically I told ??? (Zetta) that I thought they were Freya (which might not even matter idk), then later in ch11, I was asked three questions (paraphrasing here) "who serves the puppet master" (Hazuki) "who does the puppet master want to protect" (Huey) "Who is the puppet masters "old" identity" (Freya). This gets you a interesting scene where Zetta, Risa, Sec and the Puppet Master show up early and give you the Puppet Coin, which activates here causing this to happen, you also get 1mil casino coins for free later on...

Afterwards you win the game glitches out and cuts forward after "Correcting the timeline" and everyone acts like this never happens... Seems interesting to me so i wanted to see if anyone else did this

 

 

[pizzagod13]

On 11/10/2023 at 2:16 PM, Magus543 said:

Renegade seems to be going the path of the expendable alternate universe that's doomed to die anyway so the best ending can be achieved, and that concerns me.

 

The major points in the Renegade MC's speech that he knows that everything is doomed, that the spell is just a mercy kill, that "they" will get everything, while he and the others will be deleted. 

 

This def paints the Paragon MC and Melia in a darker light if they are willing to support this kind of mass death, and the Renegade MC goes from villain protagonist to a very dark anti-hero if this is truly the case.  I feel that these kinds of meta multiverse stakes are just too much for Rejuvenation. 

 

I'm not sure how to phrase this properly, but I'll try. Sure Rejuvenation has had some high concepts, there's already apocalypses, LOTS OF TIME TRAVEL, everything to do with the Interceptor, Gods, recycled worlds, but now there's evil A.I.s controlling everything the characters do and multiverses doomed to die.

 

Making this worse IMO is that Rejuvenation's initial end goal "Defeat Team Xen and Vitus" hasn't even been accomplished yet, so throwing all this crazy shit feels like bloating the game to a whole new level.  

Honestly seems to me like the Renegade route is more doing evil things so that in another timeline there can be a better future, and the good route is giving the evil MC that power so that the evil MC can make the good route possible. Its sort of a self fulfilling prophecy sort of thing, they are making their existence possible, and sometimes you have to break a few eggs...

[Z..]

What's up with Melia Aegislash, why is the OT Tiempa

[VMeemes]

It's both cool and actually a little bit funny how because of the new update there's a terajuma password now that skips you all the way to Terajuma and you get to pick a protagonist, not to mention the route you go on as well.

 

The catch is that you need to input whatever passwords you want before you enter that one in, and Ana doesn't have a custom team to call her own.

 

It's nice to have options I guess? Rejuv is a long game so its understandable.

[SoulN7]

While playing in Cubi Excellus, the new Garufan Ruins in Sheridian Village, I realized one thing: all the statues take form of some characters's main Pokèmon:

 

Salamence - Kanon

Bewear - Marianette

Hawlucha - Aelita

Alolan Ninetales - Allen

Solrock/Lunatone - Nim

Latias - Alexandra

Latios - Damien

Sableye - Alice

Absol - Erin

Greninja - Ren

Togekiss - Melia

Seviper - Venam

Broken Togekiss - M2

 

Obliviously, all of these are connected, because they are the "team" leaded by the duo of Interceptors (MC and Crescent) during the Xen Raid (Paragon Route) or the "almost main gaing for the Xen Raid but everything is going wrong", so we have M2 instead of Melia (the Broken Togekiss statue seems like it's doing a creepy smile). The only ones who are not related are Bewear and Solrock/Lunatone, but I think Nim could return to help us during Xen Raid, but I'm not sure...but Bewear is peculiar, because why Marianette should appear? Why Cubi Excellus has these statues?

[Dausk]

I agree with some of the previous complaints in regard to the new content. The Paragon Route felt quite weak due to its disjointed attempts at giving all the characters their spotlight. I think most of the chapter should've focused on building up to the confrontation with Space and Tiempa instead. I feel like it was a huge missed opportunity for it to not focus on the MC and Crescent, as she's still a character shrouded in mystery. On the other hand, the Renegade Route was awesome. It definitely benefited from focusing on the MC and M2, while having the other characters revolve around them. The series of events felt more natural that way rather than the contrived plot point of having to hang out with the other characters to learn about Adrest's files. M2 is also an extremely fun character, and is probably among my favorites as of now. Ultimately, the Paragon Route ends up feeling like a lot of mini-arcs mashed together, which could've been relegated to side quests instead.

 

In regards to the game's decision to engage in meta commentary with the whole Karma stuff, while I'm not entirely opposed to the idea, I'm afraid the game will use it as an excuse to waive away inconsistent/unexplainable events, motivations, and/or other occurrences. It currently seems like it does this with M2's and Melia's unexplainable switch, and as well with the MC and Melia escaping Spacea's attack (Although I may be missing something here).

 

Furthermore, the game should definitely add some sort of password that lets the player skip to the story split. It is unacceptable that the game does not have such a feature when it is clear that both routes are required to have a full understanding of what is going on. Aside from such grievances, I greatly enjoyed the update and most of changes made to prior content were for the better.

[Z..]

1 hour ago, Dausk said:

The Paragon Route felt quite weak due to its disjointed attempts at giving all the characters their spotlight. I think most of the chapter should've focused on building up to the confrontation with Space and Tiempa instead.

Yeah the whole give all characters spotlight thing feels like a sidequest and I think it would have worked better as one.

Also by story split do you mean Paragon and Renegade?

[Dausk]

4 minutes ago, Z.. said:

Yeah the whole give all characters spotlight thing feels like a sidequest and I think it would have worked better as one.

Also by story split do you mean Paragon and Renegade?

Yes, I'm referring to the point slightly prior to the divergence into either route. Sort of like how the "Terajuma" password works currently.

[Relifez]

Just finished a complete run of v13.5(ch1-ch15+renegade route) and there were 3 things that interested me. 

1. There's a tendency to group important characters into representing legendary trios such as Creation trio (Tiempa, Spacea, Griselda), Aura trio( Nymiera, Vitus, ???) etc. My point is, in the(not sure if this was in v13) Nightmare School where you're split into two groups Clear/Kieran disguised as Risa/Jean have you fight Reshiram/Zekrom respectively. Clear and Reshiram kinda makes sense as her thing is manipulating reality/truth with illusions. Kieran and Zekrom also kinda makes sense with his whole shtick being Electric types. Kyurem is the one that stumps me, the two candidates are Eden or MadameX. We basically know nothing about Eden and I fail to see how MadameX has anything to Kyurem. 

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2. At the very end of renegade chapter 0 when MC says "I gain nothing. They gain everything." Perhaps the "they" is referring to MC group in the paragon route? Maybe the idea is to sacrifice the doomed "renegade route world" and just funnel its resources to fully help the paragon route achieve true ending ie. the Red Chain.

 

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3. The identity of ??? which hosts Zygarde, iirc the age of the host is 25(?) My first thought was the MC because we're literally running around collecting Z-cells/cores and are made up of the different protagonists. But I'm pretty sure the protagonist is <20 yo. and I guess the interceptor argument also completely breaks. 

 

[Cyphre]

2 minutes ago, Relifez said:

Kyurem is the one that stumps me, the two candidates are Eden or MadameX.

You are overthinking this i believe, Reshiram is still somewhere under Goomy castle, Madame X stole Zekrom from Celina so it's with her for now, Kyurem is god knows where. 

 

Clear and Kieran are more about Ultra Beasts than anything, Clear with her Naganadel and Kieran with Xurkitree. 

[SAF]

You know what, there's one thing I've been wondering about in Renegade: 

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Where did M2 get her many M variants from? And how?

 

[Relifez]

10 hours ago, Cyphre said:

You are overthinking this i believe, Reshiram is still somewhere under Goomy castle, Madame X stole Zekrom from Celina so it's with her for now, Kyurem is god knows where. 

 

Clear and Kieran are more about Ultra Beasts than anything, Clear with her Naganadel and Kieran with Xurkitree. 

Perhaps I am overthinking it, prior to seeing them use Reshiram/Zekrom I too would've associated them with UBs. However, iirc in v13(pretty sure that's the first iteration of NM school)Reshiram/Zekrom did not appear, why then was it added as a boss battle against fake Risa/Jean in v13.5? 

[Cyphre]

They did appear in v13 actually. 

[pizzagod13]

So apparently you can catch

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Delpha
 

 

during one of the dream sequences if you have the puppet coin, but that never happened for me, is there some other condition too?

[pizzagod13]

On 11/14/2023 at 10:13 AM, SAF said:

You know what, there's one thing I've been wondering about in Renegade: 

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Where did M2 get her many M variants from? And how?

 

im pretty sure she can just make clones of herself at least that was the impression I got.

[SoulN7]

1 hour ago, pizzagod13 said:

im pretty sure she can just make clones of herself at least that was the impression I got.

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Not correctly, the game says that Delpha is an anomaly and her presence is much real, so it's like the dream forged a new Delpha who follows you. At least, from what I seen. Think of it like Melia's Mimikyu: it followed her even in the currect present, despite being born a world that probably no longer exist.

 

2 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

So apparently you can catch

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during one of the dream sequences if you have the puppet coin, but that never happened for me, is there some other condition too?

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Yeah, basically the devs made one of the best gifts they could have done to players: Delphox is already an amazing starter overall and a great choice, but Delpha? Other than this...have you answered correctly at all Zetta's quiz, included the first where you put his name?

 

[pizzagod13]

3 minutes ago, SoulN7 said:

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Not correctly, the game says that Delpha is an anomaly and her presence is much real, so it's like the dream forged a new Delpha who follows you. At least, from what I seen. Think of it like Melia's Mimikyu: it followed her even in the currect present, despite being born a world that probably no longer exist.

 

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Have you answered correctly at all Zetta's quiz, included the first where you put his name?

 

Nope i got the first one wrong (I thought it was a puppet master respite lol)... guess that did it, i wanted to go back but i save super frequently so I couldn't. I assumed since I still got the puppet master fight in ch13 it would be fine, but i guess not lol. Oh well, I was doing a Aevium form only run anyway so like I cant use her anyway lol. Something to keep in mind if I do mono psychic I guess

 

well there is always next run

[SoulN7]

2 minutes ago, pizzagod13 said:

Nope i got the first one wrong (I thought it was a puppet master respite lol)... guess that did it, i wanted to go back but i save super frequently so I couldn't. I assumed since I still got the puppet master fight in ch13 it would be fine, but i guess not lol. Oh well, I was doing a Aevium form only run anyway so like I cant use her anyway lol. Something to keep in mind if I do mono psychic I guess

 

well there is always next run

Proably it was for that, like he said, he has to make sure that you already know the events as the Interceptor, so you needed to put the name correctly.

[pizzagod13]

Just now, SoulN7 said:

Proably it was for that, like he said, he has to make sure that you already know the events as the Interceptor, so you needed to put the name correctly.

I mean I still got the second set of questions tho. And answered all of them right, so he did know. But yeah it makes sense that you have to get them all right, sort of sucks that I missed out since I misinterpreted the first question (I dont think Zetta ever looked like that, which threw me off...)

[ClaraTheCriminal]

On 11/15/2023 at 8:18 PM, SoulN7 said:

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Not correctly, the game says that Delpha is an anomaly and her presence is much real, so it's like the dream forged a new Delpha who follows you. At least, from what I seen. Think of it like Melia's Mimikyu: it followed her even in the currect present, despite being born a world that probably no longer exist.

 

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Yeah, basically the devs made one of the best gifts they could have done to players: Delphox is already an amazing starter overall and a great choice, but Delpha? Other than this...have you answered correctly at all Zetta's quiz, included the first where you put his name?

 

Honestly, kind of annoyed I didn't recognise them as Zetta and just immediatley went with Rune tbh. Cuase then I didn't get to answer any questions later

[SoulN7]

1 hour ago, ClaraTheCriminal said:

Honestly, kind of annoyed I didn't recognise them as Zetta and just immediatley went with Rune tbh. Cuase then I didn't get to answer any questions later

Yeah I would understand why some people could be annoyed by it. Only the other quizes were more..."clear"...

[Cyphre]

My first guess literally was Radomus and i was shocked off my nut that it's not. Outfit, chess, everything kinda fits. Not to mention Rejuvenation already has kind of a crossover with Reborn, only expecting Shiv to appear. 

[ClaraTheCriminal]

2 hours ago, Cyphre said:

My first guess literally was Radomus and i was shocked off my nut that it's not. Outfit, chess, everything kinda fits. Not to mention Rejuvenation already has kind of a crossover with Reborn, only expecting Shiv to appear. 

I would not have been surprised if Radomus (or most other Reborn characters tbh) would have showed up in 13.5 Having Aya being the other Reborn rep always felt a little weird to me