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  On 6/12/2019 at 5:55 PM, Majin J-Awesome_One said:

So I guess a lot of you are competitive players?

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As a novice competitive player who like to watch some competitive stuff sometimes, I can say that the competitive future is incertain. According to some players, it can turn out very good or very bad. I have listed some potential consequences of this decision:

  • We can assume that legendaries and pseudo-legendaries, being part of the region where they come from, will be not available anymore. For instance, we could say goodbye to the Tapus and the Ultra-Beasts native in Alola. Plus, in Gen 7, we had an event every two months for a new legendary available. I guess it won't be the case anymore. There are currently 20 legendaries out fo 50 pokemons in the OU metagame. This will induce changes if some of them are left out. Even the Uber tier may not exist anymore.
  • Breeding options may change. Some moves may not be available anymore.
  • The new mechanic Dynamax seems too brutal from what has been shown so far (discount Z-moves and boost in stats, at least in HP). Being able to sweep for 3-turns without setting up will enforce taking counter-measures such as a defensive Dynamax (hello Toxapex), moves like Substitute, Fake Out, Protect ... abilities like Prankster and Sturdy … items like Red Card and Focus Sash … It doesn't look healthy! But again, we don't know yet how this mechanic will work.

In conclusion, the competitive stage is a big box to be shaken. And what will come out could be tasty or disgusting.

 

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  On 6/13/2019 at 8:44 AM, Des Teto said:

As a novice competitive player who like to watch some competitive stuff sometimes, I can say that the competitive future is incertain. According to some players, it can turn out very good or very bad. I have listed some potential consequences of this decision:

  • We can assume that legendaries and pseudo-legendaries, being part of the region where they come from, will be not available anymore. For instance, we could say goodbye to the Tapus and the Ultra-Beasts native in Alola. Plus, in Gen 7, we had an event every two months for a new legendary available. I guess it won't be the case anymore. There are currently 20 legendaries out fo 50 pokemons in the OU metagame. This will induce changes if some of them are left out. Even the Uber tier may not exist anymore.
  • Breeding options may change. Some moves may not be available anymore.
  • The new mechanic Dynamax seems too brutal from what has been shown so far (discount Z-moves and boost in stats, at least in HP). Being able to sweep for 3-turns without setting up will enforce taking counter-measures such as a defensive Dynamax (hello Toxapex), moves like Substitute, Fake Out, Protect ... abilities like Prankster and Sturdy … items like Red Card and Focus Sash … It doesn't look healthy! But again, we don't know yet how this mechanic will work.

In conclusion, the competitive stage is a big box to be shaken. And what will come out could be tasty or disgusting.

 

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I don't understand how any of these things are bad. Legendaries and Megas/Z-moves are horribly unbalanced. Honestly, i'm glad they are gone. That means people will use other Pokemon instead of all 4 Tapus, an Ultra Beast, and the obligatory Mega. Also, I don't see how a temporary 3 turn power boost that any Pokemon can use is even close to how broken a permanent one that belongs to only a select few or a one shot move that can come out of nowhere. 

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  On 6/13/2019 at 4:49 PM, Majin J-Awesome_One said:

Just curious. Since apparently there is now a person in the Gym Stadiums to heal your Pokemon, does that make the game easier or shorter? Curious to see everyone's opinions.

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I'm about 90% certain that person is just there so you can heal during the demo

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I said this sometime before but using new pokemon was the never the appeal for me. Ever since the later years of Gen3 (which apparently GF learned nothing from) I've have been breeding my team over into the next Gen, so I can experience the new region with my favorite pokemon. (with the team being updated if I really like a new pokemon) This news is utterly devastating for me, depending on whats in the Dex I might stop playing Pokemon. (except fan games)

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  On 6/13/2019 at 3:32 PM, Youmu9 said:

I don't understand how any of these things are bad. Legendaries and Megas/Z-moves are horribly unbalanced. Honestly, i'm glad they are gone.

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I’m personally kinda torn. Megas were an interesting idea that was horribly executed. Too many already powerful Pokemon were given megas to make them even better, Salamanca, Garchomp, T-Tar, Gengar, Metagross and all legendary megas all spring to mind.

 

Pokemon like the Kanto starters, Beedrill, Pidgeot, and Ampharos were fine since they suck and needed help to be decent. But can’t have one group without the other.

 

As for legendaries, kinda the same situation. Sure some of them are OP, but on the other hand Articuno.

 

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Sooo… when people ask how many Pokemon there are, do they just mean Pokemon names or do they also include the alternate forms? (Ex: Alolan forms, Mega Evolutions, Deoxys forms, Wormadamn forms, etc.) Because I just saw a video online that is very interesting.

 

 

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Honestly, their statement about doesn't seem like it's going to hold up. Someone on reddit did a bit of math, and while this is an estimate that'll be comfirmed later when the game is released- 

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Now let's consider Sword and Shield. Let's say they are increasing the fidelity a tad. I'll be generous and say 1.5MB per Pokemon (twice the size per pokemon of LGPE.) I'm genuinely not sure if they've announced how many new Pokemon they're adding in Sword & Shield but let's say 86, just like Sun and Moon. With the current 812 + 86 making 878 pokemon. 1.5MB x 898 = 1.347GB. That can easily fit on one Switch cartridge with room to spare.

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We'll have a confirmation on this later, but for the moment this is deeply concerning.

 

Also over on Smogon forums there's been plenty of discussion on Dynamaxing and Gigamaxing mechanics as well as the loss of Megas and Z-moves. It's quite damaging to the competitive community. There's also a lot of ideas going around that if neither Dynamaxing or even Gigamaxing require a held item, and that damages the integrity of competitive, as it's very much random. There was even talk of Showdown not updating beyond Gen 7. 

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  On 6/14/2019 at 9:59 PM, wcv said:

I don't understand how any of these things are bad. Legendaries and Megas/Z-moves are horribly unbalanced. Honestly, i'm glad they are gone.

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Not only did they give certain pokemon overlooked by competitive players like yourself a chance to shine, more importantly they were really fun to use. Also taking away innovation is never a good thing, you build on whats come before not get rid of it and thats just the megas and Z moves. Don't get me started on how Legendaries will not be the only pokemon cut.

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If they want to “balance” the metagame, there are ways they could do it without having some mons straight up not exist. In VGC for example, the first year in recent games has always been limited to the regional dex. They could choose to do something similar for online single battles. In fact I’m pretty sure ranked battles do always have some sort of restrictions. Their other excuse is wanting Pokémon to fit the region. I mean I personally fail to understand how Mew being in the regional dex makes sense in that case.

 

I really think they came to this decision just because they ran out of time and the workload was too much for them to meet their deadline, not because of any other reason they’re giving 

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Instead of dropping majority of the older pokemon I would like to see them to have a patch or a series of patching to allow them after elite four using something like PAL park, and implement something like the Smogoon tiers they have the technology to do so and it would keep them from having to ban certain pokemon. I honestly don't care for any of the gimicks except for maybe the alola form pokemon but in the end didn't care too much about those either. I would like them to do something similiar to gen four and expand on pokemon using evolutions to bring relevence back to some older but decent pokemon or just older pokemon in general like dunsparce

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  On 6/16/2019 at 12:36 AM, The Swordsman said:

Not only did they give certain pokemon overlooked by competitive players like yourself a chance to shine, more importantly they were really fun to use. Also taking away innovation is never a good thing, you build on whats come before not get rid of it and thats just the megas and Z moves. Don't get me started on how Legendaries will not be the only pokemon cut.

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I wasn't the one who posted that.

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About Pokémon being cut out from Sword/Shield.....the reasons Nintendo gave us for why they are doing it are just complete and utter bs. You can't tell me that the company that owns one of THE most successful franchises in the history of gaming is not capable to handle things like models, textures and animations....

 

We know for a fact how large the file size of the models, textures and animations for the 3DS games and the Let`s Go Pikachu/Eevee games are, since there are people who extracted those files from the game catridges. We also know for a fact how much memory space there is on these catridges. And they are not even close to running out of space.

So why are Nintendo and Game Freak lying to us? Because they are lazy. The models are still up to date even for a modern high resolution game. There may be some room for improvement on the textures, but that should not be a big deal for the company that owns effin POKÉMON!

Animations? Rly? Don't get me started on that. The animations they have are fine. You don't need to invent the wheel again in every new game. They would only need new animations for the actual new stuff.

 

If they can't get these things done until the release date they already announced, they should just delay the relase a few months. Nobody would get mad if they delay the release so they can deliver the quality that people are expecting.

 

But hey, if you don't want to believe me, feel free to take it from someone who is an actual 3D animator:

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And whats that about balance? WHAT balance? Single player balance? You can brain-afk your way through all of the game until you are champ.

Competetive balance? Isn't that what VGC was for? To balance fights by establishing rules that celarly state which Pokémon, items and moves are forbidden? Most competetive players are using smogon univerity rules anyway. So why not start from there by implementing similar rules into the game for competetive fights right away? You can always go "Everything goes" in non-competetive fights. (although some of those smogon rules are just a joke as well....evasion clause....pffffff.....best joke ever! It's so easy to counter evasion boosting Pokémon...)

 

Sorry for me ranting like a kid that didn't get its candy, but sometimes you gotta say whats on your mind.

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.................................. Hey ya'll.

 

I'm so late I can't believe. So can anyone explain why so many things happen when I'm busy? Then suddenly becomes deadass quiet when there's not? It's a conspiracy.

 

ANYWAYS!! Moving on. We had so many content the past few weeks it's not even funny. Finally had the time to catch up on all of them. There's a LOT. So I'm just going to post my thoughts about all the chaos that had transpired.

 

We have some really great news!!! Although there's that teeny weeny one..... we'll go on to that later.

 

I intend to compile everything we know, all in here. While doing so, I'll give a little bit of my own feedback.

 

Warning: Long a$$ ted thread ahead

 

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@Maqqy I agree with everything you said in your post but I just have 2 things to say.

1. Why is everyone SO in love with Corviknight? Lol. I mean it looks cool but... It just looks like an evolved form of Skarmory. Not saying it is btw.

2. If you look closely at the screen where you're battling Hop (Btw, seriously? Hop? What kind of name is that?) if you notice the amount of Pokemon he has, there's 2 PokeBalls and 1 of them is grayed out which means that 1 of them is fainted. A lot of people are speculating that since his brother is the champion, he gets both of the starters.

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  On 6/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, Maqqy said:

Let's all play SwSh with a smile in November. Can we do that? Good. 🙂

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I mostly agree with everything you said but I can't do this. My favorite pokemon are deal breakers, if by some miracle all 6 of them is in and I get the game as a result, my experience will still be brought down by this decision.

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  On 6/18/2019 at 4:18 PM, Majin J-Awesome_One said:

2. If you look closely at the screen where you're battling Hop (Btw, seriously? Hop? What kind of name is that?) if you notice the amount of Pokemon he has, there's 2 PokeBalls and 1 of them is grayed out which means that 1 of them is fainted. A lot of people are speculating that since his brother is the champion, he gets both of the starters.

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Why would Hop receive two starter Pokemon? Just because his brother is the champion doesn't mean he'd get two of them -_-

Don't be greedy Hop...

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  On 6/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, Maqqy said:

So Leon..... how ya doin? Leon looks awesome honestly. I like how he was styled and the way he seems like the baddest guy in Galar. He has that charisma. Almost competing with Cynthia's with only that GAZE he has. 

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He's good, but let's see if he's Alder level before trying to measure up to the true champion

 

  On 6/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, Maqqy said:

Now Leon had a Charizard, shown beside him in the trailer. That could only mean one thing, that Charizard is his ace. THIS fact just makes me believe on the credibility of Armor evos. That Charizard is going to have something, we betting on that.

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Either way, this does reek of gen 1 pandering.......again.  I'm almost embarrassed to admit I started during Gen 1 because of how much they keep harping on it.  I get that it makes money, but after Let's Go side game they've maxed out on how much could be called reasonable.

 

  On 6/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, Maqqy said:

Dynamax > Z-moves > Mega evo - Competitive-wise in criteria.

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Are you rating it top because of it's presumed splashability?  We don't have all the info yet, so maybe it and Gigamaxing will have a yet unseen downside?

 

  On 6/18/2019 at 8:46 AM, Maqqy said:

Let's all play SwSh with a smile in November. Can we do that?

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Maybe the new mons and features will be enough to make up for everything lost or maybe not.  If I was planning on getting this game, I would definitely need to see more before committing actual money to a product.   Unless they really screw up, it wouldn't be the complete hard pass that the Let's Go side games were.  They've still got months to reveal more so people can make their decisions on this one.

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  On 6/18/2019 at 5:19 PM, SilverAngelus said:

Why would Hop receive two starter Pokemon? Just because his brother is the champion doesn't mean he'd get two of them -_-

Don't be greedy Hop...

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  On 6/18/2019 at 6:39 PM, Majin J-Awesome_One said:

Idk but I honestly wouldn't be against it. At least none of the Pokemon would be left behind then.

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It would definitely be an interesting change at least.  Also, I couldn't help buy try to make @SilverAngelus's post into a 'Gee Bill' meme, but you'll have to excuse my non-existent editing skills.

 

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