Magus543 Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) Reveal hidden contents Now the Puppet Master may just be a plot convenient character and is probably never going to have their identity revealed, BUT if i had to guess the Puppet Master is actually Crescent. Now the biggest alarm bell for me is that they both have similar lines about morality, that can't be a coincidence. Additionally they both are psychic type specialist or at least i assume so considering we never see their teams but it's highly likely they are. Additionally as of now they are both the unfought, in the Puppet Master's case we instead fight two jesters. BUT WAIT, Crescent is clearly seen outside the toy box muttering to herself so she clearly can't be the Puppet Master right? However we should never trust what Crescent says or does, it's quite possible she's just pretending to be affected by the Nightmares and considering she has psychic powers or something, it's quite likely, additionally we never see her and the Puppet Master in the same place despite her being outside so i think she just pretended to be affected and then went to the Toy Box when you came in. Let's also remember Crescent actually has a dark sense of humor so the jester motif isn't so out of place for her. Lastly both of them have authority over Zetta, personally i don't buy the idea that the Zetta we meet is just a nightmare version of him, for a Nightmare, that Zetta knows a lot of things that Melia never knew, and if it was a nightmare, it should be acting how Melia perceived him IE acting more evil. Any thoughts? Edit: And if i may also add Puppet Master as a title would really fit Crescent considering how many people she played like a damn fiddle. Edited April 21, 2019 by Magus543 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Reveal hidden contents Well, I'm not against the idea although I think we may have fought already the Puppetmaster as two people. I also consider them more good-aligned than crescent (who to this point has only shown to be wanting the MC's favor, outright trying to kill the Xen grunt Sharon) But I like the idea of that being the actual Zetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acedy Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 Reveal hidden contents My theory still remains that Crescent is actually an interceptor from a different timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Reveal hidden contents I think this is highly unlikely. The way you put things together is extremely convoluted and overcompicated, when she tried to manipulated us she just walked up to us and said her part, also she clearly wanted for us to make our own decisions, even when she knew we are gonna end up with a dumpster fire. There is just no need for her imitate Puppetmaster. I think for now he cant be considered anything else but the plot convenience character, since we have barely any info at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Reveal hidden contents I think they could be another being like Aevium's protectors, who are/have the Regis as totems, or Spacea & Tempa who are clearly involved in the dinamics of some creation trio. Or maybe they're just some quirky NPC from GDC who just has a different set of rules for interacting with reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/22/2019 at 11:25 PM, Cyphre said: Reveal hidden contents I think this is highly unlikely. The way you put things together is extremely convoluted and overcompicated, when she tried to manipulated us she just walked up to us and said her part, also she clearly wanted for us to make our own decisions, even when she knew we are gonna end up with a dumpster fire. There is just no need for her imitate Puppetmaster. I think for now he cant be considered anything else but the plot convenience character, since we have barely any info at all. Expand Reveal hidden contents Highly unlikely it may be, but it is worth considering, even if you don't think Crescent and the Puppet Master are the same person, some sort of connection must exist between the two. Plus the similar speech patterns in regards to morality is an alarm bell. Besides it may be a little disappointing for Jan to introduce this strange mysterious character and never use them again outside of plot convenience. Plus i'm getting the same vibes that the Puppet Master has the same manipulative protective streak towards us. On a side note I find it very strange that the Puppet Master could somehow give us a badge, is the Puppet Master connected to the League somehow? OH MY GOD, what if he's actually JAN? Jan wasn't giving his usual broadcaster Gym advice. Okay, kidding aside, what are your thoughts on Nightmare Zetta? it doesn't act like anything you would expect from Melia's perception of Zetta and he knows things Melia couldn't have possibly known. On 4/21/2019 at 3:40 PM, kithas said: Reveal hidden contents Well, I'm not against the idea although I think we may have fought already the Puppetmaster as two people. I also consider them more good-aligned than crescent (who to this point has only shown to be wanting the MC's favor, outright trying to kill the Xen grunt Sharon) But I like the idea of that being the actual Zetta. Expand I seriously find it interesting that we don't fight the Puppet Master themself it's like they'll be used in the future so Jan doesn't want to give anything away about their team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 Reveal hidden contents He simply took the badge out of Lavender room. And Nightmare Zetta isnt a projection of Melia thoughts, he is it's own creature with it's own mind and all his memories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 4:54 PM, Cyphre said: Reveal hidden contents He simply took the badge out of Lavender room. And Nightmare Zetta isnt a projection of Melia thoughts, he is it's own creature with it's own mind and all his memories. Expand Reveal hidden contents But, as he said, he (should have) started as a nightmare in Melia's head, being born in Nightmare City which is made by the subconscious nightmares of GDC's citizens. Then he would have fallen under the Puppet Master because the MC knows it, and everything. The point is, he's its own character apart from Melia's nightmare. He's got the hair and the Dark Matter, so... I still think the Puppet Master and Crescent's personalities are not the same (the first is benign, while the second one is neutral at best) but I like the Zetta point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted April 23, 2019 Author Share Posted April 23, 2019 On 4/23/2019 at 4:54 PM, Cyphre said: Reveal hidden contents He simply took the badge out of Lavender room. And Nightmare Zetta isnt a projection of Melia thoughts, he is it's own creature with it's own mind and all his memories. Expand Reveal hidden contents Clearly the Puppet Master must have an agent in the real world. Could it be Crescent? After all who else keeps tabs on us. If you don't think Crescent is the Puppet Master herself, do you think they have some sort of working relationship? Crescent can move between dimensions after all. You have to admit more plausible than her being the Puppet master. Plus Nightmare Zetta mentions he was sent there thanks to Melia's nightmare but he has all of Zetta's memories. Either it's a plot hole or something else is afoot. On 4/23/2019 at 5:04 PM, kithas said: Reveal hidden contents But, as he said, he (should have) started as a nightmare in Melia's head, being born in Nightmare City which is made by the subconscious nightmares of GDC's citizens. Then he would have fallen under the Puppet Master because the MC knows it, and everything. The point is, he's its own character apart from Melia's nightmare. He's got the hair and the Dark Matter, so... I still think the Puppet Master and Crescent's personalities are not the same (the first is benign, while the second one is neutral at best) but I like the Zetta point. Expand Reveal hidden contents Personally Crescent struck me as on our side but in a psychotic way about it. She is against Team Xen at the very least, but for the Puppet Master, we can't be too sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave9 Posted May 28, 2019 Share Posted May 28, 2019 I know that there are many theories about Crescent being the MC actual mother. I feel like that theory is more plausible than her being the puppet master, sure they both have psychic powers but which psychic pokemon user doesn't have those powers: (Nim, Lavender, Cosmia, Comet, Crescent, Puppet Master...). not to mention I don't see how this theory can be correct since Crescent plans to turn people into stone in GDC and she seems to have an eye out for Axis high students which implies that she holds something against Axis high. At the very least, Crescent and the Puppet Master could have some kind of alliance but I don't believe they're the same character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 It seems alliance is the most plausible answer right now. Still the similar speech patterns is concerning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luck Repellent Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Alright so hear me out guys. I know it seems pluasible for Crescent to be our mom, but I have a better idea. I was playing through the help quests on terajuma island and I got to the one that Dr. Jenkel gives you. One quote struck me: "We are bound by blood! We are family!" THATS RIGHT. DR. JENKEL IS OUR MOM CONFIRMED. I know, I know, it might be hard to accept at first, but there is honestly so much evidence towards this possibility (DISCLAIMER: the evidence hasn't actually been added as of episode 11). I think I'm really on to something here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epitaph Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 It's Mr. Luck. Somehow survived all the way from Miera and doesn't look a single day old. Had a Ralts, a psychic pokémon. The toy box was empty until he moved to GDC at the same time as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 On 6/6/2019 at 2:40 PM, Epitaph said: It's Mr. Luck. Somehow survived all the way from Miera and doesn't look a single day old. Had a Ralts, a psychic pokémon. The toy box was empty until he moved to GDC at the same time as you. Expand I like how he's indirectly, the one behind the plot, by setting the Ralts for Indriad's encarnation at the time to find her. And I'm still not sure he's the Puppet Master: He's outside GDC in the route with those stantlers near Yui's ranch, and I believe the Puppet Master/Nightmare City is not so new to GDC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kite Silvers Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 He's obviously Radomus with a new fancy headdress and too much free time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 Maybe the Puppet Master is Jan. It makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitsune641 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Pretty sure crescent is in nightmare city also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiko Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 She is. So it's likely she's in gdc. She's very sure about something happening soon. We just don't know what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 What if Puppet Master is...... Reveal hidden contents Darkrai? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Isn't he a psychic type? Reveal hidden contents If we're going by Pokémon, I'd say it's Cresselia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyphre Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 So, i started to replay v12, and i just got that thought. There is one guy who basically still didnt do much in terms of story, yet has an interesting role. Not to mention he experimented with Pulse Musharna, a pokemon, which creates mist, filled with dreams of pokemon and people, and overall Musharna is the pokemon, assotiated with dreams. His overall colour is purple and his smile is similar to the Puppetmaster mask. Yes, i think that our crazy beloved Dr. Jenkel might be the Puppetmaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magus543 Posted July 8, 2019 Author Share Posted July 8, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 10:41 AM, Cyphre said: So, i started to replay v12, and i just got that thought. There is one guy who basically still didnt do much in terms of story, yet has an interesting role. Not to mention he experimented with Pulse Musharna, a pokemon, which creates mist, filled with dreams of pokemon and people, and overall Musharna is the pokemon, assotiated with dreams. His overall colour is purple and his smile is similar to the Puppetmaster mask. Yes, i think that our crazy beloved Dr. Jenkel might be the Puppetmaster. Expand That's very plausible. And their speech patterns match. They both are pretty helpful towards us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 The fact that Mr. "I-used-to-be-more-useful-but-now-I'm-just-crazy" Jenkel could actually the Puppetmaster is very funny to me, but yeah, it could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evylash Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Reveal hidden contents By the way, did anyone notice the golden/Dark box ( which comes from the puppet master) in the jail in zone zero? I wanted to check that after completing main story, but after beating ryland, the box dissapeared... maybe it has a link with his identity?... Reveal hidden contents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhehvnukl Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 On 8/2/2019 at 12:12 PM, Evylash said: Reveal hidden contents By the way, did anyone notice the golden/Dark box ( which comes from the puppet master) in the jail in zone zero? I wanted to check that after completing main story, but after beating ryland, the box dissapeared... maybe it has a link with his identity?... Reveal hidden contents Expand Rhodea went into the room the box was in and presumebly opened it, which caused her ditching us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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