[End] Reborn Big Brother Mafia - Season 3 Finale

[Alaris]

2 hours ago, Alaris said:

I'd go for Nick or Castiel first, in any case. It is true that the Dreamer is not as OP as it usually is... Nick could have a tertiary TP role and still be town aligned. I won't vote yet, as I have an unfinished conversation with him (Lykos and Jelly can confirm). Depending on what I get from there, I'll vote either Castiel or Nick.

 

39 minutes ago, NickCrash said:

Toucher (Amine)

You look like a normal Amine, but you are something else. You are something so horrible that you cannot be described in simple words. Your goal is to avoid being investigated by Cops, Trackers, and Watchers (includes other similarly working roles). You cannot be killed normally. You win if you survive until the end of the game without being investigated. You have 2 investigation vests. An investigation vest will be used even if the visitor failed in performing their action. Once you are investigated twice and become investigated a third time, you die

Pervert (Amine)

- The Pervert visits someone every other night. The Pervert hides in their room, knowing everything that happens there
That player's actions will fail if directly targetted at pervert that night. The player will be informed by "You sense an evil presence watching you". Unfortunately, every action that affects that player will affect the Pervert too, and vice versa. This means that if one gets killed, both get killed, if one gets a vest, both get a vest, etc.

Cursed (Amine)

- As Amine, you are so cursed, people who visit you at night are blinded. Blinded people will either succeed, fail to target you, target themselves, or target anybody else who visited you.

 

So uh... forget what I said.

 

Unless there is a counterclaim, I think Nick's claim might be genuine.

 

I mean, the possibility of his having a tertiary TP role existed and still, he preferred to claim a primary TP role instead. With a tertiary TP, he could've claimed he was town-aligned, thus rendering the dreamer's info useless. By claiming a primary TP, he not only remains on the hot seat, but risks being lynched today. This probably means he has been honest in his claim. If I had been him, I would've claimed Toucher as 3rd role. Cops, trackers and watchers wouldn't have bothered to waste their abilities on a person that negated their outcome. And, even if cops had visited him, he would have had a 4-6 day margin to survive. That is, at least, how I see it. And therefore:

 

[Evict] Castiel

 

For obvious reasons.

[Alaris]

On 5/2/2019 at 7:08 PM, CrimsonDragon21 said:

My first role is Doctor (unknown sanity) I can only protect on even nights. I protected Digital Amber on N0.

2nd role is Actress: I can use that on odd nights.

My third role is the Enchantress.

@CrimsonDragon21 You can use your actress role to check Nick, right?

[Lord Drakyle]

23 minutes ago, Alaris said:

 

 

So uh... forget what I said.

 

Unless there is a counterclaim, I think Nick's claim might be genuine.

 

I mean, the possibility of his having a tertiary TP role existed and still, he preferred to claim a primary TP role instead. With a tertiary TP, he could've claimed he was town-aligned, thus rendering the dreamer's info useless. By claiming a primary TP, he not only remains on the hot seat, but risks being lynched today. This probably means he has been honest in his claim. If I had been him, I would've claimed Toucher as 3rd role. Cops, trackers and watchers wouldn't have bothered to waste their abilities on a person that negated their outcome. And, even if cops had visited him, he would have had a 4-6 day margin to survive. That is, at least, how I see it. And therefore:

 

[Evict] Castiel

 

For obvious reasons.

If we accept that Nick really is Third Party primary, it really does seem killing castiel would be a better option wouldnt it? They are mafia and even if they can't contact the other members, they are still counted among the mafia count for parity, meaning if we get rid of them, we push the mafia one step away from equaling our numbers. That of course is if they are third party really. Still i will wait to hear what Kiet says, if they confirm Nick is a TP i'll switch my eviction vote.

 

Pretty much if Nick is telling the truth then our best option is to delay the Mafia's wincon rather than leaving him alive, risking lynching a house guest or wasting it on a TP when we could achieve the same and better from killing a mafia.

[Nano4]

THIS WORLD CANT HANDLE 2 NANOS

 

[evict] castiel 

Edited May 5, 2019 by Nano4

[CrimsonDragon21]

58 minutes ago, Alaris said:

@CrimsonDragon21 You can use your actress role to check Nick, right?

Yes i have the ability to check Nick Crash. Unfortunately that Ability only works on odd-nights (like the cop-abilities).
And cause the next night is an even night, i can only use my Doctor ability.

If Nick Crash survives till the next odd-night, i would glady check him, to see if he is lying or telling the truth.

 

As for Castiel. His Win-Con is rather weird to have and imo he is lying about his tertiary role.

Cause you normally wouldn't have an additional win-con, if you don't have a third party role as one of your 3 roles.

 

Imo Nick's roleclaim is genuine and i rather trust him over Castiel. Maybe it's just Nick Crash speech, that made me choose him over Castiel.

But we are lynching either a maf-member (possibly Serial Killer) or a third party (harmless) this dayphase.

 

After getting to hear both sides, my vote goes to Castiel.

[Evict] Castiel

 

[Lord Drakyle]

ok so essentially we need to wait til Night 3 to find out if Nick is telling the truth, due to inactivity on Day 1 we have no idea how many mafia there are in total and so no way of ever knowing how close to parity they are, in which case i suppose caution will always be our best option and for that reason.

 

[Unvote] Nick Crash

[Evict] Castiel

[Daniel Blackworth]

Vote Count 2.1

 

[Yahy]

wow it really seems like a mafia coordination right there

1 hour ago, Alaris said:

I mean, the possibility of his having a tertiary TP role existed and still, he preferred to claim a primary TP role instead. With a tertiary TP, he could've claimed he was town-aligned, thus rendering the dreamer's info useless.

as a confirmed non-town, claiming tp was his "to claim town", i won't trust it so easily as literally everyone did

now that the vote count is up, don't you think its weird that Nick's group is going for castiel only? 

i won't make any threats yet, but i might use my troublemaker ab just to confirm nick's claim

Nick's eviction will give us info, either he's being honest or not, while castiel's will only be a mafia eviction, i really don't think this decision is hard

never seen lykos being so talkative

[Lord Drakyle]

3 minutes ago, Yahy said:

wow it really seems like a mafia coordination right there

as a confirmed non-town, claiming tp was his "to claim town", i won't trust it so easily as literally everyone did

now that the vote count is up, don't you think its weird that Nick's group is going for castiel only? 

i won't make any threats yet, but i might use my troublemaker ab just to confirm nick's claim

Nick's eviction will give us info, either he's being honest or not, while castiel's will only be a mafia eviction, i really don't think this decision is hard

never seen lykos being so talkative

Aren't groups forced to do the vote their members do? Wouldn't they all have to follow Nick's vote and when ya think about it realistically, a group wouldn't want to think of one of their own as bad and when faced with a confirmed mafia vs voting someone who is claiming TP note the word CLAIM, which do you think is the most likely choice?

[Bazaro]

2 hours ago, NickCrash said:

 

@Bazaro

The thought was as follows:

a) Cops work on odd nights, and doctors on even. 

b) By using my hiding powers on odd nights (aka cop nights) I increase the statistical improbability of being investigated, and thus survive.

c) If my scumhunting powers attract more unwanted attention than optimal, I can get healed on even nights and hide on odd ones, and thus survive

 

The above is all based on how I enjoy reading people, even as TP, because the alternative (sitting idly and waiting for people to kill each other) Is boring.

 

2 hours ago, NickCrash said:

Toucher (Amine)

You look like a normal Amine, but you are something else. You are something so horrible that you cannot be described in simple words. Your goal is to avoid being investigated by Cops, Trackers, and Watchers (includes other similarly working roles). You cannot be killed normally. You win if you survive until the end of the game without being investigated. You have 2 investigation vests. An investigation vest will be used even if the visitor failed in performing their action. Once you are investigated twice and become investigated a third time, you die

Pervert (Amine)

- The Pervert visits someone every other night. The Pervert hides in their room, knowing everything that happens there
That player's actions will fail if directly targetted at pervert that night. The player will be informed by "You sense an evil presence watching you". Unfortunately, every action that affects that player will affect the Pervert too, and vice versa. This means that if one gets killed, both get killed, if one gets a vest, both get a vest, etc.

Cursed (Amine)

- As Amine, you are so cursed, people who visit you at night are blinded. Blinded people will either succeed, fail to target you, target themselves, or target anybody else who visited you.

 

I didn't expect a slip like this from you, Nick. You say you visited on Odd Nights to avoid Cops because of your win-condition, but if you read how Pervert really works, it only makes you more likely to be discovered. If a Cop were to visit either you or your target, you would both get investigated. And likewise, if you went on Even Nights, Doctors would protect you AND your target. The only person the Pervert "hides" from is the target and the target alone.

 

If you really wanted to hide and do nothing else, you wouldn't bother visiting at all, since you have Cursed. And for that matter, why ask someone to Cop for you when there's a huge chance it won't even work? To me, this all sounds like you're stepping over a few holes on purpose to throw everyone off and waste the Cop's time.

 

Let's not forget our other suspects for today. After all, I smell trouble.

[Alaris]

6 minutes ago, Yahy said:

wow it really seems like a mafia coordination right there

as a confirmed non-town, claiming tp was his "to claim town", i won't trust it so easily as literally everyone did

According to the dreamer info, a townie with a tertiary TP role could also appear as a suspect. They would still be town-aligned, with an additional goal. @Yahy

[Yahy]

Just now, Lord Drakyle said:

Aren't groups forced to do the vote their members do? Wouldn't they all have to follow Nick's vote and when ya think about it realistically, a group wouldn't want to think of one of their own as bad and when faced with a confirmed mafia vs voting someone who is claiming TP note the word CLAIM, which do you think is the most likely choice?

no, look at nano for example

they can dismiss at any moment

considering the situation, i'd choose both. but if i had to choose, i'd go for nick anyway- castiel is mafia and kinda useless ngl

nick might or not be mafia, if he DOES happen to be mafia, we'll get a lot of suspects

if he doesnt, we'd lynch castiel anyway and it would be the same thing

so its a win/win thing, not a hard decision

[Bazaro]

And no, the group is not forced to follow anyone. Whoever in a group votes against their group's majority will get removed. That means if everyone in a group votes differently, the group will break up.

[Yahy]

1 minute ago, Alaris said:

According to the dreamer info, a townie with a tertiary TP role could also appear as a suspect. They would still be town-aligned, with an additional goal. @Yahy

so you're saying the dreamer is completely useless? As both lía and yahen have 2 mafia roles

[Yahy]

2 minutes ago, Yahy said:

so you're saying the dreamer is completely useless? As both lía and yahen have 2 mafia roles

Oh my bad i understand now

[Alaris]

2 minutes ago, Yahy said:

so you're saying the dreamer is completely useless? As both lía and yahen have 2 mafia roles

No. It's just not as OP as usually.

 

Re-read it again, please. The dreamer will consider as non-town people with any of these three conditions:

1) They have a primary Mafia role.

2) They have a primary TP role.

3) They have a tertiary TP role.

 

Lía had a tertiary maf role and a primary town role, so it doesn't fulfil the conditions. Idk about Yahen.

 

EDIT: ninja'd

[Lord Drakyle]

2 minutes ago, Bazaro said:

And no, the group is not forced to follow anyone. Whoever in a group votes against their group's majority will get removed. That means if everyone in a group votes differently, the group will break up.

 

3 minutes ago, Yahy said:

no, look at nano for example

they can dismiss at any moment

considering the situation, i'd choose both. but if i had to choose, i'd go for nick anyway- castiel is mafia and kinda useless ngl

nick might or not be mafia, if he DOES happen to be mafia, we'll get a lot of suspects

if he doesnt, we'd lynch castiel anyway and it would be the same thing

so its a win/win thing, not a hard decision

Ah right, i mean that makes sense i guess but again when it comes to group trust thing, take Yahen's group for example, yahen was adamant no one in his group is mafia, would it be fair to assume Nick's group dont want to think he is mafia either?

 

Also i would still prefer to not leave castiel alive any longer than nessecary since he should still count for mafia's wincon of equaling our numbers, not to mention can The Amine even be lynched? it says they can't be killed normally which asks the question of can we even lynch em? would we be wasting a lynch attempt?

[Alaris]

4 minutes ago, Lord Drakyle said:

would it be fair to assume Nick's group dont want to think he is mafia either?

Oh, I never meant that.

I'm just pointing out that, if I were mafia, I would've followed a completely different strategy.

Not that I consider Nick 100% innocent. But given that we can check if he's actually lying (via Kiet), I'd go for the confirmed maf. Unless we double-lynch.

[Yahy]

2 minutes ago, Alaris said:

Unless we double-lynch

ye we will

i dun want to die with a target in my back so i just become a tree stump now

listen dont target me im just another stump

thanks

Edited May 5, 2019 by Yahy

[Yahy]

and i think its best to use the first lynch on Nick, cause i'm sure that if we don't, he'll get a way out of the second one

castiel has no way out

[Yahy]

12 minutes ago, Lord Drakyle said:

The Amine even be lynched

weirdly nick says he "dont wanna die"

[Lord Drakyle]

3 minutes ago, Yahy said:

ye we will

i dun want to die with a target in my back so i just become a tree stump now

listen dont target me im just another stump

thanks

Forgive me for this joke but i feel like trying to decide the best course of action had you 'stumped'

[Bazaro]

Castiel is harmless, I say we pocket his lynch for when we need it. @Lord Drakyle we don't need to lynch Castiel this moment, we're in no danger of the Mafia killing 10 people at once and winning the game. I want to believe Nick, but every other time I've done previously that, it's bit me in the ass. His logic doesn't add up, either.

[Lord Drakyle]

Just now, Yahy said:

weirdly nick says he "dont wanna die"

i dont think he knows if he can himself, only Dive-O could say if lynchs work on The Amine.

[Yahy]

Just now, Lord Drakyle said:

Forgive me for this joke but i feel like trying to decide the best course of action had you 'stumped'

AHHAHAHHAHAHA wtf drak that was really bad lol