Administrators Popular Post Amethyst Posted July 5, 2019 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted July 5, 2019 Apologies for the downtime earlier... Unfortunately, we suffered an unexpected security breach. ...Tbh I'm not really entirely sure how that happened, but whatever the case we're back online and I've taken the opportunity to upgrade the server environment and make some adjustments for performance and security... So hopefully none of that will happen again. I can only imagine the recent slowness and downtime we've had in the last couple days has also been a result of the same group trying to hack into the site, but... With any luck, today's changes will put an end to that too. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone. While we're all here in the announcement section, there is one matter that we should also mention. As of today, we're adding a new warning and guildeline for the site-- for 'Debug Dealing'. Before anyone panics, I'll say upfront: We're not outlawing debug mode. Y'all are still welcome to use it and play however you want, and even share it when it is needed. However, what we want to ask is that when it comes to players who are new to the game and community, please give them a chance to play the game for itself as intended before recommending they solve whatever problem that have with debug mode. If it's something that can't be done normally-- great, debug away. But for many of the cases we've seen, it hasn't been needed, and when it's suggestion #1 (or 2, or 3...) it can really take away from the core experience. The accompanying warning is worth 0 points, as an ettiquette warning, and is just a tap on the shoulder to say "hey, please don't. thanks," If you have any questions about that, please also feel free to ask here or ask a staff member directly. That's all-- once again, sorry about the downtime. And enjoy the new version! 12 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 THANK YOU! I'm probably the only person happy about this but you know what, there will always be that one rule you dislike. I'm just going to tell you people that. I'll make life simple for people on discord: Don't bring it up at all in anything but Mod Market unless a newbie brings it up first. And just call it hacking because it's basically the same principle. Debug is a hacking tool which is fine. Instead of trying to justify it this just makes it easier for new players to understand without forcing it on then. I use debug mode as it has uses. The other issue with cheating is that it freezes a game's ability to improve so maybe instead of hacking to do stuff you could file a legit complaint. Half the reason Rejuv is as good as it is was due to listening and fixing stuff. Just saying. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Shame on whoever decided to try attacking these forums, people really need to find better things to do with their time. Also I appreciate the new rule or guideline for Debug Dealing. I feel as if people are way too quick to go into that mode to solve any "problems" they encounter at times. People need to slow down and figure things out for themselves sometimes and we should be encouraging that attitude. Besides that, trying to fix something that isn't broken will actually break it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-wefr Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 14 minutes ago, Vinnie said: Shame on whoever decided to try attacking these forums, people really need to find better things to do with their time. Also I appreciate the new rule or guideline for Debug Dealing. I feel as if people are way too quick to go into that mode to solve any "problems" they encounter at times. People need to slow down and figure things out for themselves sometimes and we should be encouraging that attitude. Besides that, trying to fix something that isn't broken will actually break it. It's also true people should be mature enough to decide how to expierence their game, if you find something truly frustating by any means, cut the frustating part out and enjoy the rest, on the other hand do it at your own cost since some rewards won't be as satysfing. I agree with this rule though, proposing the easy way out so fast when someone is struggling is a bit unfair, a little push to help is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candy Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Well i also like the new heads up because I also feel not everything needs to be solved by debug, which honestly takes away from the challenge of the game. I think letting people know that the mod exists though shouldn't count as target for warning, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wanderer Jordan Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 So is it a case of even mentioning debug is a warning? Because if so, that's just ridiculous. If it's offered as a suggestion, it is up to the person who asked if they decide to use it or not. Don't punish people just for talking about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 34 minutes ago, Angelo said: It's also true people should be mature enough to decide how to expierence their game, if you find something truly frustating by any means, cut the frustating part out and enjoy the rest, on the other hand do it at your own cost since some rewards won't be as satysfing. I agree with this rule though, proposing the easy way out so fast when someone is struggling is a bit unfair, a little push to help is enough. I agree to a degree, but for the most part I don't think you can really use debug to skip most of the areas people consider to be the most unpleasant. Besides, we have a variety of mods on these forums that can give Reborn lots of quality of life features to lessen frustrations and annoyances or just make the game a tiny bit more cozy to play casually. There's very little legitimate use for the mod besides getting to certain events with it or getting yourself out of a soft locked situation, which are pretty rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Lone Wanderer Jordan said: So is it a case of even mentioning debug is a warning? Because if so, that's just ridiculous. If it's offered as a suggestion, it is up to the person who asked if they decide to use it or not. Don't punish people just for talking about it. The debug warning is solely for suggesting that someone use debug when what they are trying to achieve is perfectly possible ingame. You can still discuss debug mode and recommend its use for gamebreaking bugs, softlocks, and the like. Furthermore, it is a zero-point warning, meaning it has no real bearing on one's progress towards any punishments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Plot twist : Jan breached the security to hypen up the new version of pokemon Rejuv (Bladestar) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShogokiX Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Soooooo.....just to clarify something right now: If somebody asks how another player can have a Pokémon that is not catchable in the current game version.... Is it still okay to explain to the person asking that the other guy used Debug Mode or similar mods? Or is that a violation of this new rule already? That being said, i think this rule is a good idea. Especially new players should not try to solve every little issue by using Debug Mode right away. It ruins the experience and may lead some people to the assumption that Reborn and Rejuvenation can't be beaten without cheating.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZEL Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 See, this is why we should delete Terra. Welcome back, reborn forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted July 6, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, ShogokiX said: If somebody asks how another player can have a Pokémon that is not catchable in the current game version.... Is it still okay to explain to the person asking that the other guy used Debug Mode or similar mods? Or is that a violation of this new rule already? There's nothing wrong with talking about debug or mentioning it in a case like that. It just shouldn't be proposed as one of the first solutions to an otherwise manageable problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capll Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Thanks for your hard work in updating the server and to have added a new rule to not just suggest debug mode for easy solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwinAero Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game. - Civ4 developer. The casual player probably won't even realize or be able to resist breaking the learning/difficulty curve of the game by accident when they first discover a debugger, being able to experience the catharsis of adapting pass the puzzle-like difficulty is the main sell I use when recommending Reborn. Keeping it low profile is a good idea as long as its existence isn't completely censored to save some potentially hair pulling frustration like resetting seven hours for a blue moon ice cream that refuses to drop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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