V13 Discussion Thread

[Tikkit]

4 minutes ago, Itamar said:

Reina told us that a medium told her mom that one of her kids is gonna be good and the other one will be evil, so probably Ren/Reina will turn evil.

Or Crescent is just a bad person and her actions aren't justified at all, and that she's doing these things out of her weird obsession with us. Anyway, Ren joined a Terrorist organization, so close enough to becoming evil?

[Itamar]

20 minutes ago, Tikkit said:

Anyway, Ren joined a Terrorist organization, so close enough to becoming evil?

I guess it counts

[Kyublivion]

48 minutes ago, Itamar said:

Reina told us that a medium told her mom that one of her kids is gonna be good and the other one will be evil, so probably Ren/Reina will turn evil.

Whos to say what the medium saw wasnt Ren joining team Xen as a mole but didnt realize Ren was a mole? Plus the future is finicky especially since the player is here. Then again its been a while since i got to that part so there could have been more said about it than i remember.

[blackmewtwo200]

maybey cresent is a future reina

[ArcaneArceus]

21 minutes ago, blackmewtwo200 said:

maybey cresent is a future reina

Now THAT would be a sight to see!

[Draconis]

*dies from too many possibilities going into brain at once*

[Tikkit]

Crescent is Reina is honestly an ascended brain statement. Tired of her brother being a robo-terrorist and getting buddy buddy with a woman who is both older than him yet received his aid as a young child she got a Gothitelle and became an edgelord, manipulating her brother into joining the terrorist organization that she was tired of him joining in the first place.

[MhicKy]

Maybe Crescent is actually the Gothittele she walks with and the Crescent we know is just a puppet

*shrug* If we gonna go with crazy theories, f**k it!

[Kyublivion]

We are crescent. Thats it, thats the theory.  

[SilverAngelus]

4 hours ago, blackmewtwo200 said:

maybey Crescent is a future reina

I like the idea of this! Now I'm wondering how Jan would react to seeing this  

[Itamar]

7 hours ago, Tikkit said:

Tired of her brother being a robo-terrorist

I was thinking something similar because there are still the dual prophecies and in blacksteeple we see the absol statue with the description of the four darkness, one of them being betrayal, so probably Reina will feel betrayed by Ren and will turn evil.

[Itamar]

8 hours ago, Kyublivion said:

We are crescent. Thats it, thats the theory.

I think crescent is a family member of the player because at the start of the game you can hear a conversation that the player's "mom" was talking to crescent and crescent tells her that all she wants is to see the player smile. So if she is not a family member of the player I dont know who she is.

[MhicKy]

Non related to the conspiracies you guys are cooking here but..

Can we be able to register more items on the hotkeys in V13?
I appreciate being able to place 3 of my Key Items on F3, F4 and F5 but I wish I could place more.. 

[ausar999]

I'm digging the Reina-is-Crescent theory. Crescent seems to be a pure psychic trainer- Gothitelle, "Dranna" the Mewtwo, and...

Spoiler

Zetta the solosis (Reuniclus, presumably)

and Reina's "ace" being Swoobat adds to that. Though Reina also having a Honchkrow and Rimbombee in the one time we fight her doesn't exactly support that. 

 

Or maybe Crescent is just gonna be one of the elite 8, given the monotype and how powerful she's made to be. 

[Autumn Zephyr]

6 hours ago, Itamar said:

I was thinking something similar because there are still the dual prophecies and in blacksteeple we see the absol statue with the description of the four darkness, one of them being betrayal, so probably Reina will feel betrayed by Ren and will turn evil.

Building a bit on the Dual Prophecies, there's a relevant detail about them that's been on my mind since V11. They state that the 4 Lights are "not born of man", which highly suggests that they have to be created somehow. Ren's case is a bit of a curious one here- his mind is human, no doubt about that, but his body is mechanical- enough so to confuse even sensitive people like Nim. Considering that we don't know how strict the requirements for becoming a Light actually are, there's a very real possibility that he's 'artificial' enough to count now (which would be kinda ironic, considering that Team Xen recruited him because they thought he was the Darkness of Betrayal). Of course, there's now the possibility that all four of the Light slots are taken up by the fragments of the Archetype, but how lame would that be?

 

Of course, if Ren's a Light, then that inversely means that Reina's a Darkness (which by definition do have to be 'born of man', or fully human)- and there is some incidental evidence for that. 'Reina' is the Spanish word for 'queen', and those of us who delved into the sidequests not attached to the Help Centers should be pretty familiar with a black-haired queen notorious for her evil deeds in her time. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Giselda attempt to possess the girl or something- surely one the most vicious of the Garufa would be willing to pull off a trick like that, right? Her sisters are still around, after all.

[Draconis]

26 minutes ago, Autumn Zephyr said:

Building a bit on the Dual Prophecies, there's a relevant detail about them that's been on my mind since V11. They state that the 4 Lights are "not born of man", which highly suggests that they have to be created somehow. Ren's case is a bit of a curious one here- his mind is human, no doubt about that, but his body is mechanical- enough so to confuse even sensitive people like Nim. Considering that we don't know how strict the requirements for becoming a Light actually are, there's a very real possibility that he's 'artificial' enough to count now (which would be kinda ironic, considering that Team Xen recruited him because they thought he was the Darkness of Betrayal). Of course, there's now the possibility that all four of the Light slots are taken up by the fragments of the Archetype, but how lame would that be?

 

Of course, if Ren's a Light, then that inversely means that Reina's a Darkness (which by definition do have to be 'born of man', or fully human)- and there is some incidental evidence for that. 'Reina' is the Spanish word for 'queen', and those of us who delved into the sidequests not attached to the Help Centers should be pretty familiar with a black-haired queen notorious for her evil deeds in her time. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Giselda attempt to possess the girl or something- surely one the most vicious of the Garufa would be willing to pull off a trick like that, right? Her sisters are still around, after all.

This sounds pretty plausible.

[Itamar]

28 minutes ago, Autumn Zephyr said:

Building a bit on the Dual Prophecies, there's a relevant detail about them that's been on my mind since V11. They state that the 4 Lights are "not born of man", which highly suggests that they have to be created somehow. Ren's case is a bit of a curious one here- his mind is human, no doubt about that, but his body is mechanical- enough so to confuse even sensitive people like Nim. Considering that we don't know how strict the requirements for becoming a Light actually are, there's a very real possibility that he's 'artificial' enough to count now (which would be kinda ironic, considering that Team Xen recruited him because they thought he was the Darkness of Betrayal). Of course, there's now the possibility that all four of the Light slots are taken up by the fragments of the Archetype, but how lame would that be?

 

Of course, if Ren's a Light, then that inversely means that Reina's a Darkness (which by definition do have to be 'born of man', or fully human)- and there is some incidental evidence for that. 'Reina' is the Spanish word for 'queen', and those of us who delved into the sidequests not attached to the Help Centers should be pretty familiar with a black-haired queen notorious for her evil deeds in her time. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Giselda attempt to possess the girl or something- surely one the most vicious of the Garufa would be willing to pull off a trick like that, right? Her sisters are still around, after all.

I'm pretty sure that the player and venam are two of the lights because in a previous version when you meet indriad for the first time he says that knowledge and intelligence are in the room and I dont think that luca and lenny are the ones he was talking about.

 

In the prophecies I think the man from "not born of man" is indriad but I may be wrong.

 

I'm pretty sure her sisters are spacea and tiempa.

[Edo]

45 minutes ago, ausar999 said:

I'm digging the Reina-is-Crescent theory. Crescent seems to be a pure psychic trainer- Gothitelle, "Dranna" the Mewtwo, and...

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Zetta the solosis (Reuniclus, presumably)

and Reina's "ace" being Swoobat adds to that. Though Reina also having a Honchkrow and Rimbombee in the one time we fight her doesn't exactly support that. 

 

Or maybe Crescent is just gonna be one of the elite 8, given the monotype and how powerful she's made to be. 

I think the Crescent-is-Reina thing was just a joke..  At least it would contradict Crescent's care for the protagonist, since Reina is clearly not related to them in any way.

But I like the idea that she's part of the Elite, though as a member of the Stormchasers it would be very impractical for a time traveler to hold such a high position in the league.

 

9 minutes ago, Autumn Zephyr said:

Building a bit on the Dual Prophecies, there's a relevant detail about them that's been on my mind since V11. They state that the 4 Lights are "not born of man", which highly suggests that they have to be created somehow. Ren's case is a bit of a curious one here- his mind is human, no doubt about that, but his body is mechanical- enough so to confuse even sensitive people like Nim. Considering that we don't know how strict the requirements for becoming a Light actually are, there's a very real possibility that he's 'artificial' enough to count now (which would be kinda ironic, considering that Team Xen recruited him because they thought he was the Darkness of Betrayal). Of course, there's now the possibility that all four of the Light slots are taken up by the fragments of the Archetype, but how lame would that be?

 

Of course, if Ren's a Light, then that inversely means that Reina's a Darkness (which by definition do have to be 'born of man', or fully human)- and there is some incidental evidence for that. 'Reina' is the Spanish word for 'queen', and those of us who delved into the sidequests not attached to the Help Centers should be pretty familiar with a black-haired queen notorious for her evil deeds in her time. I wouldn't be too surprised to see Giselda attempt to possess the girl or something- surely one the most vicious of the Garufa would be willing to pull off a trick like that, right? Her sisters are still around, after all.

It's still kinda unclear what 'Born of man' actually means. It could simply mean 'natural/normal human' which would exclude Ren. But it could also refer to 'created by humanity' in general, so Ren might still be 'born of man', since the mechanical body was created by humans (and his real body is still alive).

"Not born of man" could of course be 'not a natural body' like you say, but it could also refer to "god-given" powers, like the Archetypes. It could as well refer to 'different kinds of humans'. After all, there are a few immortal beings involved in the story, so everyone of them and their children/descendants could be candidates for the Lights as well.

 

On a side note, what if Crescent isn't actually caring for the protagonist at all? Since she's also used to time travelling, she might as well be from the past. The one she actually cares for might be Adrest, who she might have known and be related to in some way. And if she knows that he's still kind of alive and residing inside of the protag, that might be the reason why she doesn't want us to come to harm.

[ArcaneArceus]

[Aphelli]

Interesting discussion about role reversal for Ren/Reina.

But I have another Crescent suggestion — she’s actually the MC’s time-travelling future teenage daughter (born after the plot ended, of course). 
 

For good measure, we can even say that she kicked the plot in motion by setting Indriad free after  striking a deal with him about the MC’s revival from an untimely car crash. So Indriad betrays her anyway, she flees and gets herself sheltered by the Stormchasers. 

[Mozano Kudusa]

3 hours ago, ausar999 said:

Or maybe Crescent is just gonna be one of the elite 8, given the monotype and how powerful she's made to be.

Wouldn't Karen be covering that monotype in the elite 8. She knows some garufan stuff too.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Mozano Kudusa

[Autumn Zephyr]

1 hour ago, Edo said:

It's still kinda unclear what 'Born of man' actually means. It could simply mean 'natural/normal human' which would exclude Ren. But it could also refer to 'created by humanity' in general, so Ren might still be 'born of man', since the mechanical body was created by humans (and his real body is still alive).

"Not born of man" could of course be 'not a natural body' like you say, but it could also refer to "god-given" powers, like the Archetypes. It could as well refer to 'different kinds of humans'. After all, there are a few immortal beings involved in the story, so everyone of them and their children/descendants could be candidates for the Lights as well.

 

Actually, this gave me a curious thought: what if we're thinking about this completely wrong? We know from Nymeria's Story of the Ancients that many of the first humans- and Indriad especially- put a lot of stock in the difference between humanity and pokemon. With this in mind, it's entirely possible that the four Lights are actually pokemon, with Delpha being the first one we've come across (that we're aware of, anyway). It would certainly fit the divide between sides in that ancient war, at least.

 

As for where that puts Ren and Reina, there are two trains of thought:
1) the fortune teller didn't specify that they were associated with the prophecy, just that one of them would eventually act in an 'evil' manner (though how that'll work out is a bit of an odd point, considering that both of them have managed to not be blatantly influenced by Goldenleaf Town's... unsavory culture during their childhoods); or

2) the Light one of the pair will wind becoming a pokemon somehow.

Keep in mind that this sort of thing does happen in Pokémon's established lore a few times. The most common cases are many Ghost Types being essentially reincarnate spirits of the deceased (and boy would that make for a return that'll catch a lot of folks by surprise; Ren's precarious position also makes it very easy for such a thing to happen in the first place), but it's also worth noting the two cases where someone became a kadabra and the nine "great wizards" that combined to create the first ninetales (sounds like a drawback for botching a Garufan spell within the context of Rejuvenation's lore to me; Gen. 3's Dex Entries were weird sometimes). 

 

Naturally, there's an especially high chance that I'm terribly incorrect with this one, but if I'm actually correct... we're certainly gonna see some seriously surprised spoiler threads on that Version's release~

[ArcaneArceus]

Does anyone have a transcript of Nymeria's story? I remember seeing it, but I only remember the broad strokes, and I can't get back without restarting a non-insignificant amount of chapters.

[OmegaStellarSolare]

Does anybody have a suggestion about Storm 9 or Xenpurgis?

Edited April 10, 2020 by RoyChaos

[Itamar]

2 hours ago, Autumn Zephyr said:

Actually, this gave me a curious thought: what if we're thinking about this completely wrong? We know from Nymeria's Story of the Ancients that many of the first humans- and Indriad especially- put a lot of stock in the difference between humanity and pokemon. With this in mind, it's entirely possible that the four Lights are actually pokemon, with Delpha being the first one we've come across (that we're aware of, anyway). It would certainly fit the divide between sides in that ancient war, at least.

 

As for where that puts Ren and Reina, there are two trains of thought:
1) the fortune teller didn't specify that they were associated with the prophecy, just that one of them would eventually act in an 'evil' manner (though how that'll work out is a bit of an odd point, considering that both of them have managed to not be blatantly influenced by Goldenleaf Town's... unsavory culture during their childhoods); or

2) the Light one of the pair will wind becoming a pokemon somehow.

Keep in mind that this sort of thing does happen in Pokémon's established lore a few times. The most common cases are many Ghost Types being essentially reincarnate spirits of the deceased (and boy would that make for a return that'll catch a lot of folks by surprise; Ren's precarious position also makes it very easy for such a thing to happen in the first place), but it's also worth noting the two cases where someone became a kadabra and the nine "great wizards" that combined to create the first ninetales (sounds like a drawback for botching a Garufan spell within the context of Rejuvenation's lore to me; Gen. 3's Dex Entries were weird sometimes). 

 

Naturally, there's an especially high chance that I'm terribly incorrect with this one, but if I'm actually correct... we're certainly gonna see some seriously surprised spoiler threads on that Version's release~

The fortune teller in the underground tells us that in the final battle the player stands in front of three of there friends,  so I don't think the light prophecy talks about pokemon.