i might lose every battle but i will also lose the war (Character Tier/Opinion)

[Sousoup]

In advance: For people who have not beat Noel, this post contains SPOILERS.

 

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 I am not a great Pokemon Master; Most of these people will pound me to dust at least ten times every round. My tactics include picking a super-effective move and praying to the heavens that it works. I get punished every time I open this game...

 

But HO BOY, they've lost their marbles. My MC of choice did not ask for any of this. It is a rollercoaster of circumstance and we want out. 

 

Is it cathartic to complain about them after being curbstomped flat for half an hour? yes

 

And so we present our tier list; Definitely Not a Callout Post. I'm just going to be going top-down, because that seems like the easiest thing to do. 

 

S RANK!

 

Noel - Ah, yes. Sweet Noel. His Clefable gave me trouble, but what really impressed me was his willingness to accept the fact that Saphira might be dead, or at least have broken a few bones. And you know what? That was a level of maturity that I appreciated. He's also sort of sweet. So, you know. S-Rank. 

 

Hardy - I only met him once for like five minutes, but honestly, anyone who agrees that Fern sucks is a marriage candidate. Laughing in the face of Fern? That's a hobby I can get behind. Also he seems pretty cool. 

 

A RANK!

 

Charlotte - I was very impressed by the bluffing she pulled to get Shelly away from those two dudes who were about to murder her. Also, she's usually got her head screwed on straight . I like her. 

 

Serra - Yeah, she's kind of a nihilist, but she's very sensible about things, from what I can tell. Cares about her kid enough to ask me to help out, but recognizes she can't control what he does, even if its dumb. 

 

Anna - Cute. Not annoying. What can I say?

 

B RANK! 

 

Sirius - Here purely for the fact that he hasn't done anything really stupid. Also, the image of him trying to look intimidating as he drips angrily onto the carpet makes me laugh. He seems like a tryhard about scaring people, but being soggy doesn't really help his case.  

 

C RANK. 

 

Shade - I hated fighting him in his stupid pitch-black darkness and his stupid shadow balls and his stupid everything. But also, I think it's really funny that nobody's able to fire a dead guy or something. And he's kind of a ghost, so he can't really do anything too bad. Probably. 

 

Solaris - Honestly, he seems more or less like a stereotypical bad guy. Kinda creepy, not much to go off of yet. 

 

Shelly - Why is a 12-year-old running a gym? Why did they agree to run a gym? In this economy? With her personality? Is this a responsibility you are prepared for? Also, your library made me cry. I am Concerned. 

 

Cain - Stop monologuing to me about your family. Stop getting caught. Seriously, I walk into the railnet and the first thing he tries to ask me is what I thought about his sibling drama. Also, I fully expect to be given your credit card for busting your ass out of Meteor Jail. 

Still, he's nice? More or less. 

 

Doctor Sigmund - Kind of the same as Solaris, but more of a creep. I also did not expect him to be as... buff? As he was. Creepy. 

 

Heather - I know you are traumatized but please stop flying away without adult supervision.

 

D RANK..

 

Aya - Look, I get you don't want to be here. I don't want to be here either, but you don't see me complaining about it. Not to mention you're taking all my money. 

 

Saphira - Oh, gee, thanks for the target on my head so I can play bait while you and the rest of the gang scramble off to who-knows where. I really hope you sprained a wrist or something while falling off that Steelix.

 

... I mean, it was super badass, though. 

 

Kiki - Is kidnapped children REALLY not a good enough reason for you to give me the TM and let me leave? Or use the energy you spent climbing up an entire mountain to give me the badge before you kick the bucket? Please? I have things to be doing and this is not one of them. 

 

Zel - I should probably put you higher but you took my money after I died to that Pulse Abra YOU told me to kill. You should be paying ME, dangit. 

 

Victoria - Stop... Stopping me... I'm begging you...

 

Cal - He's so DUMB but by the time I meet him I am NOT SURPRISED by it which is why he is not in E-tier. Like. The minute I get up there, I get a dramatic monologue thrown into my face about how he accidentally traumatized Shelly or something because of his inferiority complex. Great. Congrats. THEN he turns evil, but ONLY long enough to throw Kiki's pokemon into an active volcano to die. And indirectly killing Kiki.

 

Either stay evil or stop while you're ahead, dude. 

 

 

E

 

Corey - Dude, Corey? Yikes. He's so in his own head. Sorry you weren't able to keep your own identity secret. Sorry you ruined your daughter's life for a rock. Sorry you expected crime without consequence. 

 

Not to mention, his whole thing about Heather? I'm 95% sure it's just a martyr complex. He doesn't actually care about her wellbeing, he just says it's for her so he can justify crime and also have a rock while making himself feel better.

 

And I bet that if he knew a single thing about his daughter, he'd know that she was friends with the gym leader who lived right under that one bridge he threw himself off of. And if he actually cared about Heather or anything she did at all, he might have had enough compassion and common sense to not die there, if not die at all.

 

All in all, a gross dad.

 

Fern - Leave me alone fern i don't KNOW whats your deal but you are a JERK.... i am betting 5 dollars on an inferiority complex or something I bet nobody loves you and thats why you are mean... but you are still a DOUCHEBAG.... 

 

plea...plesea....

 

Taka - I think I shed tears over his Chatot's existence. Please. Let me live. I am BEGGING you.  

 

Simon the Meteor Grunt -  Not a hard opponent, but cried on me in the base with the Abra. What did he expect during the whole lake thing, anyways? "Gee, let's go kidnap and torture children against their will! They'll probably lie down and let us take them like good little kids." Is Saphira responding with force that surprising? Did he really not prepare for that? 

 

Not to mention, he's part of a terrorist group that does this kinda stuff daily. smhhhh. 

 

 

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And that's it! If I didn't include anyone here, it would probably be because I don't have too much of an opinion on them or I haven't met them yet. This is all personal opinion, and also kind of a joke--Stress relief after being beat into the ground a million and a half times.

 

help 

 

So yep!

[pvstelsouls]

This was really interesting to read! I can’t wait to see your thoughts on everyone once you finish e18. (That is, if you plan on making another tier list)

[Aphelli]

I concur about it being an interesting read and I suppose I agree with a good part of it. Then again, you’re missing a huge swath of, um, interesting characters and I look forward to reading your opinions when you finish e18. 

 

To be honest though, I don’t have that many issues with people taking my money. It’s not because I don’t lose, it’s because I am a worthless save-scumming coward (and worse, I watched a playthrough beforehand so I knew all about the plot twists and random/insane boss battles).
 

I beg to slightly disagree with you about Cal and Shelly (and some more, but I can’t make it spoiler-free). Cal’s not turning evil, he was a Meteor all along (and he didn’t tell you because he has a mound of issues – Shelly’s, the fact that he joined an evil terrorist organization so he can’t really quit, like in literally every story featuring that kind of organization). 
 

Shelly’s a bit weird. The thing is that in the state of Reborn, and taking her age into account, there’s pretty little she can be instead. She could be a middle-schooler, sure, but somehow I don’t think it would be much better for her. Her parents’ being completely missing from the picture is strange, though. We would have heard about her being an orphan, right? 

[mcpershing]

In case you Maybe want to think About why Fern is the way he is (and we all agree he's a dickhead):
 

 

[Sousoup]

@pvstelsouls Thank you! And I probably will. I usually have strong feelings after being destroyed a million times and i fully expect the pattern to continue whoooooops 

 

@Mindlack

 

I'll try my best! I'm kind of wandering in completely blind, so I'm sure my feelings will change on at least some of them! 

 

To be completely honest, I also am a save-scumming bastard because I'll never lose to Fern if I can help it. Also constantly running my pokemon into the ground makes me feel bad. But the money.... It might be back in my bank but in my heart pride  its gone... if I didn't savescum I'd be dirt poor... 

 

Okay, Cal makes a lot more sense, then. I still think there were better times to change his mind (before the Medicham), and that it could have been avoided (unless he was lying about tampering with the PULSE machine??) but it's... A lot better than switching sides all over the place rip. He's probably going to go up one tier. though i can imagine my MC's face trying to stay straight as they struggle up an entire mountain only to be monologued at about Cal's family issues lmaoo 

 

I definitely think we'd have heard if Shelly was an orphan, especially since the good doctor seems pretty interested in orphans. Although that might be because orphans seem to have a high rate of holding Very Important Keys in this game? And yeah, there probably weren't that many options, but depending on the power/responsibility gym leaders have in their respective ward, I think it would be better for everyone if there was an adult. Like a regent or something at the very least (although with reborn's track record I would not be surprised if they turned out evil). 

 

But man, in terms of power, Shelly's gym was impressive. and super hard... If Anorith came out with Swift Swim activated it was all over for me...

 

As for everyone else, I'm looking forward to finding out more about them, yep! I'm sure I'll be slapped in the face with a lot of cool stuff before I finish this game!

 

@mcpershing I am ALWAYS up to think about why Fern is such a jerkwad. I'll check it out as soon as I finish ep18!

[mcpershing]

56 minutes ago, Sousoup said:

@mcpershing I am ALWAYS up to think about why Fern is such a jerkwad. I'll check it out as soon as I finish ep18!

Yep I forgot to tell you this don't want you to get Spoilers by some Points 

[Serenity04]

This is an interesting tier, it is amazing that this game gives such complex characters, that everyone has a different opinion on them ( well, except Fern  ).

I am seeing that Noel gets a lot of positive attention, but I really haven't liked him that much, basically I am indifferent towards him.
Shelly, too. Not my type of person, but I don't hate her.
Heather, on the other hand, I do not like. Never liked her, from my first encounter with her.
I have mixed feelings about Corey, feeling sorry for him, but brought this to himself essentially.
Loving Cain and all his inappropriate jokes .
I saved Charlotte and Saphira for last,they are my favorite, because they are basically the people that get things done in Reborn. 

[Cadmium48]

At this point, you'd have met Amaria, Julia, Florinia, Lin, Aster, and Eclipse. What are your opinions on them?

I'm curious, given your opinions above.

Edited February 19, 2020 by Cadmium48

[Sousoup]

@Serenity04 RIP Fern 2k20.... The unanimous Goodbye Fern front strikes again... But yeah, Cain's growing on me pretty fast!

[Sousoup]

@Cadmium48  Amaria is cool, but I'd probably put her in C Rank purely for the fact that I don't think she actually needed to take me on the joyride that was the Peridot Ward Factory? I'm, like, half your level, lady. You and your Lapras could blow this joint with or without my help, and I have to go save orphans or something. 

 

Julia... I really don't have an opinion on her. At most I'd put her in between B and C. I fought her for the first gym badge, and that's the last I saw of her. Same for Florinia and Lin, except Florinia gave me hell and I've only seen twenty seconds of Lin. 

 

I like Aster and Eclipse! They're a good comedy duo. I'd put them in B Rank. I like the one that keeps spilling the beans better hehe  

[Gastronely]

Sousoup: *Puts Cain in C tier

The entire reborn community:

[Sousoup]

@Gastronely he so owes me his credit card ok i've already had to save his ass again since i made this