[Theory] 10 Characters that could have a grim fate in Episode 19

[Q-Jei]

Hello everyone! Since I bothered a little these days, I wanted to share with you my opinion about Reborn. Well... to be more precise, I would like to speculate about the future that could await us in Episode 19. As a result, I couldn't resist to make a top 10 of characters for whom fate could possibly be unfavorable in the last part of the storyline. This contains some major spoilers, so please be sure you played Episode 18 til the end before you read it.

 

10 - Zero

 

At the end of the raid in Devon Corp, you, the player, have no choice but destroying the PULSE-Magnezone created by ZEL to escape the vicious penalty game set by Lin. Doing so will eventually force Eve and Lumi to be expelled from Zero's body, leaving him alone and horrified by the loss of his comrades. After that, he leaves for Agate City, and is later found with Bennett in the Glass Factory alongside with the PULSE Pokemon responsible for Agate City's sleepy veil: PULSE-Hypno. But this time, Zero appears to be more troubled than usual, and keeps talking to himself as if he still had Eve and Lumi inside of him. Signs of schizophrenia, maybe? The destruction of PULSE-Hypno won't arrange anything to it, and he'll go to Labradorra City to report the events of what happened to his superiors. And here is the thing, we all know how intolerant and vile Sirius can be. I assume he will be the one around there, Lin being too busy working on the finishing touches of the Arc-PULSE. Also, according to Bennett, Zero would not have become a high-ranked Team Meteor member without Eve and Lumi's work, as if he was just a simple grunt before the Magneton/Magnezone event. This plus his loss of sanity and lucidity due to his multiple failures with the PULSE machines risk to play a lot in his disfavor when he'll make his report in Labradorra, which could even lead Zero to a gruesome fate if Sirius is not in a good mood. After all, Zero was here everytime we destroyed PULSE Pokemon, PULSE-Camerupt, PULSE-Avalugg and PULSE-Swalot being the only exceptions. All in all, it would not be surprising if Sirius grown tired of Zero's incapability of protecting his own creations and attack him on an impulse (bad pun intended), not considering him as a safe bet anymore.

 

9 - DJ Arclight

 

He already played a major role with the raid in Devon Corp, but got his eye torn out by Team Meteor as a penalty for having lost against the player. Even if he recovered, he's still seriously injured. Additionally, in case you didn't know yet, there is a fortune teller in Neo Reborn City. If you ever finished the quest she's involved in, she will gladly accept to reveal your future. In a somewhat implicit way, sure, but she will. It will be told to you in the form of a prophecy including things of the past, things of the present, and things that haven't already happened yet. Among them, she will mention a "man with spiked bracelets" who is supposed to step forward to destroy the chaos in town, cut the tainted roots away, purge poison from the lake and chase fire from the mountain peaks alongside his partners. But then, she will also tell you that the city streets will crack and the spiked bracelets will splinter in the fissure below. If you analyze the prophecy carefully, you can identify DJ Arclight as the man with spiked bracelets. Well, at least we can assume it's him as the prophecy mainly refers to characters we already met at some point in the game. In the end, there might be a case where Arclight could eventually decide to face Team Meteor again in an urban zone, either in Labradorra or under the Grand Stairway. If so, he would probably suffer an ultimate penalty in an attempt to stop them since the evil organization is almost about to achieve their final goal. Except this time, this penalty sounds more like a matter of natural disaster ravaging Reborn from its core, like an earthquake or something like that. But since the fortune teller tends to use a lot of allegorical figures to express herself, everything remains very hypothetical about Arclight's case. However, if such an event had to occur in the future, so it would probably happen in a scene close to the activation of the Arc-PULSE.

 

8 - Noel

 

From my perspective, Noel is by far the most silent, recluse as well as the less highlighted Gym Leader of the entire game. The proof of that is that he doesn't even have his own gym. Well... at least, not yet. But in any case, there is a lesson that the last episodes of Reborn have taught me: all the characters have their importance in this game, none of them should be ignored. And yet, this is how Noel feels in the Glass Workstation when he reunites with Radomus who turns out to be his biological father to him and Anna. Alas, in spite of being together again, Radomus' son feels a little left out and seems to resent his father for pulling Anna away from him. Plus, before to leave the factory, Radomus gives his daughter the amethyst pendant instead of him, which doesn't seem to be interpreted neutrally by the young prodigy. Speaking of prodigy, it's been stipulated long ago by Ame that Noel has Asperger's syndrome. For those who don't know what this syndrome is about, I highly recommend you to click here. As a result, Noel is extremely talented in some specific disciplines like Pokemon training, but not very communicative and not as good as neurotypical people to express his feelings, which means he won't systematically tell someone when things don't go well with himself. At least, for many people affected by this syndrome, it's far from being anecdotal. After the destruction of PULSE-Hypno, there is a moment during which we can see Noel taking some distances from Anna and Radomus in Calcenon City. This could indicate that he keeps holding resentment against what appears to be favoritism and don't know how to explain it. If he doesn't confess soon enough, it may concern him too much and prevent him from paying attention to more important priorities, let alone the fact that him and Anna are close to an area where Team Meteor is still in activity. The more you keep things for yourself, the more you become unpredictable, and sooner or later, this can have an impact on your entourage and yourself. Hope the little guy won't do anything wrong on a whim.

 

7 - Cal or Blake

 

The last time we saw him, Cal helped us to take Heather's ring back from Blake as the latter was about to leave Ametrine Moutain by helicopter. The mission was a success. Then, Cal offered us a flight back to the city and flew away afterwards. For now, we know nothing of his current location. But we can expect to meet him in a place where Team Meteor will surface again, and it would not be surprising to hear more about Blake if this had to happen. Take note that Cal also appears in the prophecy proclaimed by the fortune teller in Jasper Ward as an azure hair boy. However, things turn out to be a little gruesome for him in this part of the prediction: "Shining armor strikes, azure hair is re-dyed red." The term "Shining armor" sounds odd, but this could possibly be a subtle reference to Titania, since she's the only character to be seen in the game who strikes fatal blows to her opponents with weapons or weapon-like Pokemon, just like she did multiple times with her Aegislash, and she's wearing an armor armband. Alas, things remain extremely uncertain about it, cause she does not wear full armors, Lin and Taka being the only exceptions. However, this could also be an allegorical way to talk about Titania, since she often appears to be a knight-spirited woman who has deep hatred toward all forms of injustice and evildoers. But let's get back to Cal. His relationship with Blake can easily be related to the legend of Cain and Abel where Cal is the Abel to Blake's Cain. Plus, Cal originally had blue haired but then decided to dye it red to stand out from his brother. Later on in the story, his hair color is returned to its natural blue color. This is why the word "re-dying" hit me the first time I met the fortune teller. Cal is the only known character of Reborn who physically dyed his hair in an azure color so far and had it red before to do so. Maybe Blake dyed his too, but I seriously doubt he did. After all, we saw him and Cal as children when we were trapped in the black hole generated by Gossip Gardevoir, and he used to have blue hair at this time. This was definitely a vision of Cal and Blake's childhood. Also, the way the prophecy unfolds brings some ominous vibes, cause things that get dyed in red after a strike are usually done so with blood in fiction, so this could imply a death. Death of Cal, perhaps? The circumstances of this potential fatality are unknown, but we know that Cal still have scores to settle with his brother and Solaris, and the chances for him to get back to them in the next episode are not insignificant. Consequently, he's not immune to a sudden twist that could put his life in danger. We can also imagine the possibility that one of the two will die, and the Whitaker family will be left with only one brother alive.

 

6 - Dr. Sigmund or/and Sirius

 

They are the only high-ranked members of Team Meteor we fought once so far, and seem to get along well with each other. By the way, Dr. Sigmund would probably have never teamed up with him if Sirius didn't made him a proposal after we escaped the orphanage with the children. But yet, Sigmund told us in the Yureyu Building that he doesn't completely consider himself as one of them. The irony is, Sirius prefers to team up with him rather than with Solaris who doesn't share the same ideology as him. Depending on if you fought Taka in the Water Treatment Center or not, Sirius will expose his thoughts in front of Solaris during the assault in Agate City, considering him more like a "commander" than anything else. This implies that he's way closer to the doctor than to so-called "Leader" of Team Meteor. After that, it's very likely to see Sirius and Sigmund together again while they lead the operations of Team Meteor in Labradorra. They also could be the perfect keepers of the last two PULSE machines. But regardless of what they'll do, they have yet to deal with several common enemies. Saphira, the Gym Leader of Labradorra City, is probably the fiercest of them. She holds considerable grudge against the doctor for what he did to her sisters, as well as against Sirius after the latter burnt down the manor she once lived in with her whole family. And I doubt we'll have a gym battle in Labradorra as long as the two will still stroll around in the city with PULSE-Mime and PULSE-Clawitzer in working condition. It's also important to notice that in one of the routes available during the attack commanded by Sirius in Tanzan Cove, Saphira sends out her Dragonite and orders it to use Hyper Beam directly against Sigmund, which is another hint of Saphira's level of brutality when foes threaten her family. This plus Sigmund possibly having different motives compared to Sirius risk to lead them to some dangerous confrontations. Who knows, they could also both have a hard time as the story unfolds.

 

5 - Fern

 

In Episode 13, Fern joins Team Meteor and claims it loud and clear from behind the barrier that separates Labradorra from Calcenon City. But as with Arclight, Fern is also mentioned in the prophecy of the fortune teller in Jasper Ward. He's referred as a "boy with beaded tooth necklace" or "beaded hope", but not just that. He's supposed to be the hero that will save Reborn from its tragic end, the one that is supposed to repair damage caused by Team Meteor and fight them. But in the end, he's none of that. Why? Simply because as we stepped near Blacksteam Factory at the beginning of our journey, we directly interfered with Fern, and somehow changed the course of history. It's as if we became Reborn's savior instead of him at this point of the game, and the so-called "hero" turned into an antagonist. Also, it's important to notice that "beaded hope" dies in the prophecy, or at least suffers a tragic end: "An enemy of his own blood stands before him, and beaded hope breaks apart upon the tattered stones of a city forced to live up to its name once again." An enemy of his own blood... interesting, isn't it? Well, let's proceed by elimination. If beaded hope is really Fern, so the only character of his own blood we know at the present time is none other than his sister, Florinia. However, the prophecy never stipulates that Florinia will kill him. Let's remember what Fern covets more than anything: attention and respect. By joining Team Meteor, he told to himself that he could remain stylish, popular and likable just as he once was with the trainers of Onyx Trainer's School. But as of Episode 13, it's revealed that he decided to make a name for himself in a lawless way. To make matters worse, if you defeated Solaris on the top of Pyrous Moutain, you'll have access to one unique conversation between Fern and Florinia during the assault in Fiore Mansion in which Fern shows all his contempt against her in public and claims that he has no sister anymore. Afterwards, Fern leaves and Sirius sends out his Seviper to bite the poor Gym Leader who didn't see the Snake Pokemon coming. Since this relationship as brother and sister looked already tense, this event would make the gap between Fern and Florinia even deeper, which could possibly result in a total absence of compassion of Florinia for him. And since Fern seems not to be an easy-going person, if he ever finds himself into trouble, whether during an operation led by Team Meteor or not, this could let him all alone when help is most needed, and in essence eliminating any possibility for him of escaping a fatal ending.

 

4 - Solaris

 

Right after we left the Glass Factory with Radomus and his children, we're told by Florinia that the civilians in Agate City have begun to wake up. The destruction of PULSE-Hypno made it possible. But the news also reached Team Meteor which decides to attack the town. There, we meet Solaris once again, accompanied by his minions, Sirius, and Lin. To free the city, we have no choice but facing Solaris in a single battle. Note that if you chose not to fight Taka in the Water Treatment Center, he won't be here to attend on your battle against his father. And if that's the case, then something slightly disturbing will occur. In the Reshiram Route, Sirius will taunt Solaris about his failure, revealing to him that Taka has been killed as a result of Lin's actions. But it won't stop there. He will also question Solaris' leadership with no remorse, insisting on the fact that the grunts he's teaming with have essentially been acquired under the terms of an agreement with Dr. Sigmund. Thus, he states that Solaris is nothing but a "commander" blinded by his own goals who didn't have achieve anything by himself from the beginning. Afterwards, Sirius declares himself more fit to lead Team Meteor, and Solaris will flee to the northern part of the city. Meanwhile, Sirius wonders if it couldn't be better if this loose end was tied up. As a result, Solaris' credibility and greatness both fall into pieces, and the future of Team Meteor is more than likely to undergo a considerable change of direction, leaving the deposed man as a pale shadow of his former self. Although the game won't tell us directly, Sirius' declaration on the Reshiram Route could expose well what he silently has in mind on the Zekrom Route. He would be largely able to backstab Solaris to take his position at the most appropriate moment, which in both cases, could make Sirius a major threat for Taka's father life. Also, since Solaris doesn't seem to be appreciated by any friend of the player, except Taka, he has nowhere to go and will certainly not have any opportunity to switch sides, even if he wanted to do so.

 

3 - Taka (Zekrom Route)/Amaria (Reshiram Route)

 

This isn't a secret for anyone, the choices we make in Reborn can affect more or less the development of the storyline. And as many of us have already noticed, those began to come into more visible effect as from Episode 17. Regardless of the decision you took about Taka in the Water Treatment Center, a split in the story will arise as soon as you'll have to vanquish the Legendary Dragon inside the Belly of the Beast, the dragon's grotto located under Titania's gym. If you accepted to fight Taka, the Legendary Dragon will be Zekrom, the Pokemon of ideals. But if you refused, you'll have to deal with Reshiram instead, the Pokemon of truth. The thing is, there are many significant differences that tend to be seen between these two paths. On the Zekrom Route, we, the player, got ambushed by Lin in the den. While she's asking us to give her the sapphire bracelets, Titania uses this opportunity to stab her with her Aegislash. But on the Reshiram Route, as the same scene occurs, Taka is mistaken for Lin and is killed by Titania by mistake. Thus, Taka dies, and this to Titania's biggest regrets. However, according to Anna, there might be a way for her to fix things about a "boy with broken wings who wasn't supposed to die". That's what she says in the Glass Workstation when she's found asleep in one of the beds at the first floor, and everything leads to believe that she's talking about Taka.  This might imply that Anna has some unknown power that could help to bring Taka back to life. Take note that this dialogue appears only if you have defeated Solaris' Garchomp in Pyrous Mountain as you locked yourself on the Reshiram Route. But if you lost this battle, Anna will feel particularly worried and will apologize profusely, which is a bit out of her character. On the other hand, Taka stays alive on the Zekrom Route. He will even assist his father, Solaris, in one of Team Meteor's last operations in Agate City. And here comes why his fate might be more grim on the Zekrom Route as opposed to the Reshiram Route where there might be a chance left for him to be resurrected: at the last moment, shortly after we defeat Solaris, Taka rescues Ciel and Samson, betrays Team Meteor and runs off with Sirius chasing after him. Taka will inevitably be taken prisoner for having turned back on his father, there's absolutely no doubt about it. And we know how cruel and vile Sirius can be, just like we know how Sirius grown tired of Solaris' leadership. If we look back to everything I wrote about Solaris earlier, we can make the assumption that either Taka or Solaris will be held hostage on Sirius purpose. This could depend on the route we're in. Hence, the pyromaniac can obtain the authority he coveted so much to control Team Meteor his own way, even though Lin was the true leader of Team Meteor all along. Also, let's remember that Eclipse got her soul wiped away by Sirius for having deactivated PULSE-Clawitzer, so I prefer not imagining what happened in his mind when he deliberately got attacked by Taka's Chatot as the latter freed enemies of his own organization. The fact of not knowing what could happen to him in this route is more stressful in my opinion, because it's almost sure he will have a hard time, but we don't exactly know what his sentence will consist in. At least, on the other route, he's dead, and at this point, things can't be worse for him. Well... he could also be dead, and still be until the end of the main plot and beyond, but that's about it.

 

Also, the reason why I put Amaria as number 3 in this top along with Taka is not anodyne. On the Reshiram Route, Taka is dead, and Titania is constrained to delay her return to Fiore Mansion as she has to give the poor boy a decent burial. By contrast, this somehow interferes with Amaria's destiny which yet appears to be more "ideal" to her on the Zekrom Route. Without Tania on her side, you'll interact alone with Amaria in her gym who will react more impulsively as you're seeking for a battle with her. Then, she'll try to lure you into the depths of her aquatic labyrinth and will lock you up in a room underwater to drown you. Fortunately, you'll be saved in extremis by Titania who will be upset at Amaria for having tried to kill you. Afterwards, Tania will abandon the water girl to her own fate and will cut ties with her to better join you and help you in your fight against Team Meteor. Amaria will eventually be challenged by the player, but her opinion about you will not change since she assumes that you're the one responsible for her separation with Titania. At the end of the battle, she will leave, stating in the process that she will finally "be at peace". Note that all this drama does not take place when you choose the Zekrom Route where she remains confined in her gym under the protection of Titania, so there's no risk for her of getting harmed by Lin in this timeline. However, it would be odd from Amethyst to just let Amaria go away without her playing any role as the story keeps ongoing. Meanwhile, the situation will keep becoming more and more critical for the region of Reborn as Team Meteor will take giant paces toward their ultimate goal. Do you remember the prophecy of the fortune teller? She talked about the hero of Reborn. The one who's supposed to cut tainted roots away, purge poison from the lake and chase fire from the mountain peaks. Additionally, this same hero is not alone. There are allies on his side. And if we look back, it's heavily implied that we could be the one to liberate Reborn from the chaos. Plus, if we assume that this fire in the mountains has nothing to do with the eruption that was prevented at Apophyll with PULSE-Camerupt, so that means this calamity is the only one of the prophecy that hasn't happened in the game yet. If so, then I give you my two cents that the peaks in question could be those of Charous Mountain, the alpine ridge that surrounds both Calcenon and Labradorra City. Now let us recap the list of the said-allies that are involved in the stoppage of these calamities: "A man with spiked bracelets... Another azure hair... A girl blessed with a sleeping star... And a taciturn woman in a black and red suit." I would like to focus on azure hair. Previously, I thought Cal was azure hair, and he probably is. But seriously, what makes us think that azure hair should necessarily be a man? After all, there's no personal pronoun in any sentence of the prophecy that indicates it. And cerulean is known to be one of multiple shades of azure. Yeah... I believe you got what I mean: Amaria could be the one referred as azure hair as well. And the fact she could be re-dyed red might be another symbolic way to mention a fatal outcome that could affect herself physically in Tania's presence. In case you forgot it, Amaria was here when we had to make our way to PULSE-Tangrowth in Obsidia. The proof is that she's the one who gave us the TMX1, Cut, which allowed us to get rid of all the roots that sprouted across Reborn City. Then, when we met for the second time, we sided together in Blacksteam Factory to defeat PULSE-Muk and chase Team Meteor at the same time. To summarize, we achieved two of the three feats to save Reborn thanks to Amaria's assistance. And at this point, she could also be involved in the extinguishment of a fire in the mountains too, which would make sense since water has considerable advantage against fire. By the way, the situation might get worse and harder for us to handle if she stays in Fiore Mansion, which would later be a downside of the Zekrom Route. Thus, the most probable scenario to me is that Amaria will come back on the scene to redeem herself after she tried to drown us on the Reshiram Route. She will eventually intervene in a place close to Charous Mountain to prevent Team Meteor from causing further havoc, and in the heat of the moment, she would be killed instead of Cal and just before the eyes of Titania, which the latter is not expecting at all. But ironically, this could fulfill the prophecy in the end.

 

2 - Lin

 

The most anticipated fight in Reborn is the final clash between the player and Lin. From the day of our first encounter in Tanzan Mountain, Lin was hinted to be the strongest as well as the main antagonist in the whole game. Needless to say, she's the true leader of Team Meteor. There's also a pretty popular theory according to which the Lin we all know is nothing but a supernatural being made by the real Lin to manipulate us. She's been hyped up as indestructible. But the time will come when we, the player, will manage to somehow defeat her. And most importantly, her "death" was forecast in one of the four video recordings to be seen in Shade's Gym, the other three representing Corey's fall, Kiki's execution, and Amaria's suicide. Lin's dismemberment is the only of these events that hasn't happened in the game yet while all the others came true. So, it would make sense if she gets destroyed at the end of the main plot.

 

1 - Us (The Player)

 

Yes, you read correctly! We, the player, could be the prey to one hell of an unthinkable fate in Reborn. And overall, this could probably be the most enigmatic one. What leads me to affirm it is that many informative sources in the game are referring to a world where we're not supposed to exist at all. And most importantly, this same world is supposed to arise soon. Very soon. My arguments are as follows. Once the restoration of Reborn done, the Gothitelle who owns Beryl Ward's library tells us that we will inevitably embrace the void, and even Arceus can't know what will happen to us next. Additionally, if we do the connection with the prophecy of the fortune teller, it's implied that our future is difficult to understand, not to say unique, compared to the future of all of her other clients: "It's a future where you do not exist. A future where there were never any trace of you existing." The more we think of that, the more we can begin to wonder if this future couldn't actually be an alternate future where things are not what they once were when we created a new game. As a result, many fates that I've mentioned could actually be part of the same world, and could have well occurred at a previous timeline. But strangely, these could also come true in a near future, which would make even more sense if Amaria was azure hair. Then, we played Pokemon Reborn and started to interfere with Fern, the former "hero" of the region. But storywise, the reason why we're strolling in Reborn at a parallel timeline is certainly due to one thing: Anna's Jirachi. The fortune teller mentions her as one of beaded hope's allies: "A girl blessed with a sleeping star." As the previous timeline unfolded, Anna had certainly witnessed many deaths, tragedies, and irreversible impacts on the region of Reborn, or worse. After that, she decided to take the situation in her own hands, and made a wish thanks to her Jirachi. And this wish was probably made to bring another hero in Reborn, so the latter could arrive in the region and change the course of history while the world Anna was in was reset back to a stage before Reborn collapses. It seems that we are this new hero. And our goal might consist in stopping something that Fern was unable to stop before Reborn's reset caused by Anna. What this something could exactly be is not clear for the moment. The destruction of the planet caused by Arceus completion, perhaps? There's no way to be sure of that. However, the player embracing the void could be an allusion to our own end. Have you never paid attention to this woman we saw when we were stuck in the black hole? A woman with long dark hair who was wearing red and purple clothes. Oddly, she shares some physical resemblances with Anna. Maybe she's one of Anna's relatives? Anyway. As we make our way through the starry path in the dark dimension, we eventually find her and she tells a story as soon as we interact with her.

 

"Once upon a time, a belt of meteors swept across the universe. But one day, one of those little meteors decided she wanted to go further than any of the others ever had. So she kicked up her trail, revved up her spacedust, and off she went, sailing far, far away across the galaxy. Further than all her best friends, further than all her loving family, further than any meteor had ever known it was possible to even go. And when she was very, very tired of flying so far away, she found a little planet she liked, and she thought that she would finally rest. So, the little meteor started to descend to the planet's surface. But that planet's atmosphere was so hot, and so thick, and the little meteor was so exhausted from flying so many millions and millions of moons across space... that she burnt right up in the sky! And do you know what happened? All the people on that planet looked up, and they said: "Look! A shooting star! Let's make a wish!" And so, everyone on that little planet, which had scarcely seen such a star in its life, wished, and wished, and wished, and wished with all their might. And those people smiled, and knew hope like they had never known before, and felt happy. And by the time it would have come to the surface, there was nothing of the little meteor left at all... It had all-- poof!-- vanished! And even though it disappeared from the world forever, do you know what that little meteor did? It lived happily ever after, in the joy it brought, and the hearts it touched, and the smiles it inspired in its final moments as a shooting star. So even with its last little itty bitty bit of life, it never, ever regretted what it had done, even once. So, make sure to smile for me too, okay?"

 

The last sentence of this tale could imply that she once had to take an important decision and had to act the same way as the little meteor she referred to. What it could be is beyond my understanding, but it still sounds like a sacrificial speech or something. A sort of cryptic message if you prefer. But this same analogy could also be applied to the player himself. If the timelines were truly reset, so it can't be a coincidence. Something or someone had intentionally triggered an interference to make the course of history different, forcing us to deviate from our own predetermined trajectory, so we could reach the lands of Reborn to achieve an assigned goal. And this would be weird if Lin wasn't involved in it. Maybe after we managed to counter Lin's doing, the reason of our existence in Reborn will be fulfilled, and we, the player, will simply disappear without leaving any trace behind us but a world where all the other humans and Pokemon will live happily ever after. Maybe the light Anna saw inside of us in the orphanage will vanish at the end of the main plot. So all in all, we could just be a means to an end. And all the major choices we made during our trip in Reborn will help to determine if we left the meteor belt as a shooting star or as a meteorite.

 

This theory is inspired by research made by myself, and was made possible thanks to some clues spread here and there in the previous episodes of Pokemon Reborn. I'm not gonna lie, there must certainly be some flaws to underline, so we could probably improve it with different points of view on this subject. So don't be shy, and express yourself.

 

Here comes the end of my prognosis concerning fates and omens of Reborn characters in episode 19!

[Kenneth]

Fern and Florinia do have a "dead" value already, in the Debug menu.

 

I believe those two are the most avid candidates to croak.

[Xedron]

Taka does state in toumaline desert that even if you made your decision of whether or not to fight him, he'll be killed either by the good guys or by lin's forces so he's aware that he's going to die whether its on screen or off screen.

[CrossImpact]

Nice observations concerning the player character. It surely is still mysterious, and it'd finally make for a game in which the whole "you're no ordinary trainer, are you!!" comes back all the way round.
There are also implications that the events are of a cyclical nature, though I've seen enough of that kind of story in the past decade. Post-game might be a "what-if".

I was expecting to see Titania on that list somewhere, given that she's been a big source of misery for at least 50% of her supposed high school clique
(Julia still seems very "shallow" (as in, -actually- untroubled too much?!) in comparison to the other three, which just might be her exact thing all the way through to the end? it's telling they haven't had any actual interaction yet),
and 50% of the time killed someone specific in blind rage, and 100% of the time killed a lot of people in blind rage,
and there could be some sort of "atonement" (she's not particularly blind to what she does, but it'd be disingenious character development, since she's already been moving... somewhere into a whole other direction) for the folks who appear like they actually should be her friends (yet she could manage to cut them down one by one somehow), in one of those heated moments in which she just seems to falter in. It's still her turn to really do something "good", a flicker that there's an actual heart beneath the steel.
...though I'm sure the most likely scenario is that she'll find a way to blame everything on everyone else and then skedaddle the hell out of there cuz it's just "too much trouble" to actually work things out.

Solaris/Taka (if both still alive) might be in a position to show just that. Though I'm afraid one of them will pay with their life for it, or both independently, though that'd wipe out the genetic line of known guardians (where's El been at?).
Solaris stands strongly behind his viewpoints, yet as his ways cost him everything and don't work on top of that, I see him as the type of character that can really think things through to another end.
If Sirius doesn't simply turn off the lights for him, I can totally see him getting through.
(...There's actually an odd point about him not directly related to surviving, that is, when you meet him when freeing Victoria underneath the Grand Stairway.
I faintly remember his dialogue implying/saying that he'd be cool with everyone knowing about the holy site, that the player should even tell people about it.
That's an idea he never seemed to have tried? Like, just go to city managament, "Hey, there's this awesome Arceus temple down there, I'm in the bloodline of its protectors, don't do dumb shit (again), and we good".
Given that the late city management could have been expected to be quite cool with it... It's certainly nothing the story was ever meant to consider, but with all the animosity he creates, it feels like he missed out on some steps to reach his goal in better ways. Then again, actually talking to people has always been frowned upon by humans, it's just better to insult them and kick them out of places you perceive to belong to you, etc.)

[wcv]

If it happens to Fern doesn't that count as a happy ending? Same with Sigmund, Sirius, Zero, or Solaris.

 

The player can't die during the events of the game, because if they did there wouldn't be a point in doing a post-game. Bit hard to take part in the Battle Tower or chase down the legendaries if you die or blink out of existence.

[Egzample]

2 hours ago, wcv said:

The player can't die during the events of the game, because if they did there wouldn't be a point in doing a post-game.

The PC might be resurrected. We've already been on the other side during the glass factory events.

[SilverAngelus]

How cool would it be if Sirius and the MC meet in Ep 19 but Sirius doesn't even try to fight the MC in a Pokemon. Instead he directly tries to burn the MC away with Chandelure but....huge plot twist Lin comes out of nowhere and finishes off Sirius herself. She might have caught on that Sirius wants Meteor and/or power/the new world all for himself and decided to rid of him. And then she carries on what she has planned for Ep 19, lol. 

 

Isn't Samuel Olaris the true leader of Meteor? Lin joined one day, quickly climbed through the ranks and then seized the position of leader. If I recall correctly, Eclipse in the meteor base (on the way to Calcenon) was the one who told us this.

 

Also, I'm glad Cain is nowhere on this list.

 

I like your reasoning of Anna's anecdote about the meteor and the light within the MC. As much as it suggests that it may be about the MC disappearing after "saving" Reborn, I'm not sure that will be the case. I can't recall if you've ever told me you played Rejuvenation before, but if you have:

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Just in case you accidentally clicked on this  

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Adrienn in Neo Gearen tells the MC that they remind xem of the Champion of Reborn, which highly suggests the MC of Reborn lives on and becomes Champion of Reborn.

 

If you haven't, please do not click on this spoiler tag; it is a big spoiler. 

Plus, as implied by wcv earlier, Ame and Cass wouldn't be working so hard right now on Ep 19 and Post game if the MC meets a grievous ending.

[Q-Jei]

On 2/23/2020 at 3:54 PM, InsanityPrison said:

Taka does state in toumaline desert that even if you made your decision of whether or not to fight him, he'll be killed either by the good guys or by lin's forces so he's aware that he's going to die whether its on screen or off screen.

That's right! He actually seems to accept that he can't escape a dilemma. After we beat him in the desert, he says that it's probably the last time we have to deal with him, which must indicate that he's not willing to stay among the Meteors anymore. However, I doubt he would be killed deliberately by the good guys. For example, I'm sure Titania would have never stabbed Taka from behind if this armor didn't have a helmet, and even more since he made sure that Amaria was alright in the Water Treatment Center. Consequently, if Taka had to die on the Zekrom Route, his executioner is certainly more likely to be a member of Team Meteor.

 

On 2/23/2020 at 7:06 PM, wcv said:

If it happens to Fern doesn't that count as a happy ending? Same with Sigmund, Sirius, Zero, or Solaris.

 

The player can't die during the events of the game, because if they did there wouldn't be a point in doing a post-game. Bit hard to take part in the Battle Tower or chase down the legendaries if you die or blink out of existence.

Even if it hurts to see people die, in the end, it would definitely erase any chance for Team Meteor to be reformed, exception made for those who don't fully pledge their loyalty to the organization or had different reasons to join them, like Taka, Sigmund, Simon, and possibly El too. Also, as Egzample stated, it's highly possible for the player to be resurrected, and I bet you anything that Anna will have a special role to play to bring us back among the living. All this to say, I would like to use this opportunity to focus on Jirachi's biology for a moment. As many of us know, Jirachi has the particularity of hibernating for extensive periods and can fight while it's asleep. It can awaken for seven days every thousand years, but can also wake up at any time if you sing to it in a voice of purity. There's also a legend stating that Jirachi will make true any wish that is written on one of the three notes attached to head when it awakens. And due to only having three tags, Jirachi can only grant three wishes. As a result, if we admit that Anna already used her Jirachi once in order to distort the course of history, so that could explain some additional things. If she really sided up with Fern in the previous timeline, so she must be well aware of what we have to deal with, since that would probably mean that we're gonna take Fern's place and witness similar events such as the assault at Pyrous Mountain with Solaris' Garchomp. If we defeat Solaris, we probably spare one tag on Jirachi's head, so that could be a bonus for Anna if she intended to resurrect more than one people. And this could also explain why she's so anxious when we are on the Reshiram Route as we lost against Solaris during our first match against him: she would be forced to use Jirachi's second tag and arrange to prevent another forthcoming death to happen as soon as the battle ends or something like that, and will find herself back on a wall if she discovers that Taka is dead in the same timeline. She will then realize that we are in an inextricable situation if two people are fated to disappear or die since there won't be enough tag left or unused on Nostra's head to save them both. And the reason why she could be informed so easily about our various actions like Taka's death on the Reshiram Route or our victory on Mount Pyrous might be made possible thanks to another means. Anna's only known power so far is to see things that we can't see, as if she was blessed by something divine or celestial, so she could see the unseen and have a different vision of Reborn world in a parallel timeline. But to undertake a mission consisting in saving the world, she shouldn't have done everything on her own. She must inevitably have partners for it. And here comes one of the potential partners: the lady in black and red suit. There was probably a normal person before by the side of Radomus’ daughter. A person of goodwill who ended up undergoing abrupt changes, and this in exchange of supernatural power. All this to become one of Anna's most precious confident. And still, this person must have been someone very trustworthy to her even before the changes occurred. And this same unknown person eventually gave birth to the ghostly Gym Leader TTar appreciates so much: Shade. Maybe Shade is a sort of worshiper to Anna, so she could be informed more easily of all the facts and actions of the player to make sure that Reborn could be saved once and for all without any fatality encountered in the process. All in all, that could explain why Shade and Anna both gain relationship points at the same time. Moreover, having some extra tags left on Nostra's head could be a major advantage for us when we'll have to deal with crucial events such as our battle against Lin or the destruction of the Arc-PULSE. Who knows? But hey, it's also very probable that I'm wrong from the beginning, and Ame must certainly eat popcorn while she's laughing at me and this big pile of shaky assumptions.

[Aphelli]

Overall, you make very good points. I never thought "azure hair" could apply to Amaria, but I suppose it fits in the appropriate timeline. I can't say I am too pleased with your hit list (please, anyone but Noel... or Shelly, or Laura, or Heather, or anyone else under 21-- that's the age under which you really shouldn't be fighing a war, right). 

 

You provided a good rebuttal for the "no postgame without a living PC" argument, as they could be resurrected somehow (I really wouldn't be thrilled if that were the case). The Rejuv argument doesn't convince me either (IIRC Jan doesn't work on Reborn, so I doubt they actually asked Ame if the PC would be living through the game). Still, the PC finally succumbing to the overwhelming odds stacked against them doesn't feel right to me, even though I can't explain it. Probably just wishful thinking, especially since the Void thing (nobody bothered explaining what it was, though an actual back hole doesn't let people out intact). 

 

 

2 hours ago, SilverAngelus said:

Isn't Samuel Olaris the true leader of Meteor? Lin joined one day, quickly climbed through the ranks and then seized the position of leader. If I recall correctly, Eclipse in the meteor base (on the way to Calcenon) was the one who told us this.

Terrorist organizations don't work like... Star Wars or Doctor Who story corpora (that's a pretty stupid comparison, but it's funnier than a lot of others). There isn't a "true" or "false" leader. All the power is, at every instant, up for grabs. Solaris wasn't anymore in control in Meteor the second he let Lin disrespect him or Sirius recruiting people on his own.    

 

2 hours ago, Q-Jei said:

For example, I'm sure Titania would have never stabbed Taka from behind if this armor didn't have a helmet, and even more since he made sure that Amaria was alright in the Water Treatment Center. Consequently, if Taka had to die on the Zekrom Route, his executioner is certainly more likely to be a member of Team Meteor.

Titania stabbed Taka from behind because for some unexplained reason, he put on a helmet and made himself undistinguishable from Lin (whom she knew was running around, wanting the bracelets and threatening her). And he knew firsthand (well, almost) that Titania had no issue whatsoever with killing Meteors (it's almost a shame she didn't slaughter the whole assaut team in the Fiore Mansion). 

 

2 hours ago, Q-Jei said:

Even if it hurts to see people die, in the end, it would definitely erase any chance for Team Meteor to be reformed, exception made for those who don't fully pledge their loyalty to the organization or had different reasons to join them, like Taka, Sigmund, Simon, and possibly El too. 

It's sad to say, but with such, um, toxic higher management, there seems to be little hope for Team Meteor to be reformed from within. They function more like an enabling ring, normalizing even the most heinous actions (the assault on Tanzan Cove being one of the most clear-cut, morally speaking, showoffs in the game). Look at Simon: Tara's loss broke him down, but he can't acknowledge the reality of what they, what he did. The best we can hope for is probably that the PC brings a bunch of sane therapists from afar and put them to work with the former (and still living) members.

 

I do agree with how sad it is about people dying. Fern or Blake dying, for instance, no matter how much one feels they got it coming, would shatter the "good guys" Florinia and Cal, in their slow and uncertain path towards sanity. I believe that Radomus and Bennett's actions mandate a slow and excruciating death, but these would destroy respectively the twins and Serra and Laura (and by extension unbalance even more the other Belrose sisters).  Zero and Sirius have more than earned a similar death, but that would accomplish nothing. Just add more pain to the world. 

 

Anyway, nice idea with the Jirachi. It seems a bit far-fetched, but it provides an explanation for her words. The only thing that confuses me is that when you defeat Solaris on Mount Pyreous, literally nothing changes to the story. Except later, but there isn't a wish-worthy consequence to failing on Mount Pyreous.     

Edited February 24, 2020 by Mindlack

[Cadmium48]

13 hours ago, Kenneth said:

Fern and Florinia do have a "dead" value already, in the Debug menu.

 

I believe those two are the most avid candidates to croak.

I asked about those on Discord a while back; that was dead variables. Those were meant to be Fern and Florinia (and Eve and Hardy)'s relationship point variables but some other unidentifiable source was messing with them so they couldn't be used.

[wcv]

6 hours ago, Egzample said:

The PC might be resurrected. We've already been on the other side during the glass factory events.

That wouldn’t really count though since you’d still be alive at the end of Episode 19. And it’s not good for drama in any case for death to be something you can walk off.

[Kenneth]

Then again, Us the player dying, seems extremely plausible.

 

In other videogames, that is the case, as well. Bioshock 2, for example. Speaking of which, trainer card makers do have a big daddy/little sister sprite even, lol!

[Egzample]

13 hours ago, wcv said:

That wouldn’t really count though since you’d still be alive at the end of Episode 19. And it’s not good for drama in any case for death to be something you can walk off.

I'm not saying it would be good, I'm saying it may happen, even though I don't think so. I think we can expect Sirius and/or Solaris to die, we will be revealed what kind of creation is Lin, Zero may lose his mind completely. I dont think Fern or Florinia will die, but I cant wait to see their clash.

[Evi Crystal]

I bet Anna, because given her powers as a psychic and being blessed with a power like Lin perhaps, this would made her a big threat towards Team Meteor. Even if Anna didn't "saw" her aura, what if Lin was aware about the girl's power and her ability to "reset" Reborn according to the prophecy. I would imagine, that Lin might need her "other half" to be complet in absolute power, so she could try to kidnap Anna and use her against us. 

 

Another candidates would be Eve and Lumi getting discovered by Team Meteor and Zero, to prevent them to tell any secrets about the PULSE Machines. During a struggle Lumi get accidentally killed and Eve losing her mind complet and goes crazy to kill and destroy everything around, since she created the Pulse Machines in first place to heal her little sister. But with everything in vain and being left alone, Eve could be consumed by guilt and pain, so she decided to use PULSE Machine against Team Meteor. She'll be emotionless and unstoppable in her rage, because of the hardships thanks to Zero. Or she'll kill herself, because there's no reason to live for, when everything you holded dear is forever gone.

 

And Zero will have the most painful death recieved by Eve, because he firstly discovered her and being interreacly responsible for the creation of ZEL and giving Team Meoter their weapon.

Edited February 24, 2020 by Evi Crystal

[Lua]

I really hope that Taka does not die on Zekrom Route. Not just because he's one of my favorites, but especially because it'd feel kind of like invalidating the player's choice. Sure, there's other stuff the decision influences, but... My main reason for fighting Taka was "I don't want him to get hurt, which means nobody in Meteor can know he helped us." So, if he dies no matter what I do, it'd kind of invalidate the whole "Your actions have consequences" thing. Now, sure, "You can't save him no matter what" is a trope that's often used in darker pieces of fiction, but it doesn't feel right for this situation in particular.

[Q-Jei]

On 2/24/2020 at 12:52 AM, Mindlack said:

Anyway, nice idea with the Jirachi. It seems a bit far-fetched, but it provides an explanation for her words. The only thing that confuses me is that when you defeat Solaris on Mount Pyreous, literally nothing changes to the story. Except later, but there isn't a wish-worthy consequence to failing on Mount Pyreous.     

In fact, there might actually be a valid reason for Anna to make a wish if we fail on Mount Pyrous, even though it seems a bit far-fetched, I admit it. Assuming that we are the strongest among Cain and Victoria, if we lose, we don't have any Pokemon in shape to protect us, so Solaris could easily finish us off at this point, which is more unlikely to happen if we beat him. He will say himself that there's no point in continuing after that, so his will to delete us will probably wane if we win.

On 2/24/2020 at 12:52 AM, Mindlack said:

Terrorist organizations don't work like... Star Wars or Doctor Who story corpora (that's a pretty stupid comparison, but it's funnier than a lot of others). There isn't a "true" or "false" leader. All the power is, at every instant, up for grabs. Solaris wasn't anymore in control in Meteor the second he let Lin disrespect him or Sirius recruiting people on his own.

Indeed, seizure of power and strength accumulation seem to be two major elements that make Team Meteor what it is now. Additionally, my other impression on this subject is that from the moment Lin joined Team Meteor, things had progressively turned more shady for Solaris. It's as if his organization began to rot from within since he allowed someone more powerful than him to join his ranks. And it would not surprise me if Team Meteor's leadership was credited under the law of the strongest in the end. Which is why Sirius will not be the ruler instead of Solaris. Well... at least, he won't be for a long time if this had to happen (Wink at you, Lin).

20 hours ago, Evi Crystal said:

I bet Anna, because given her powers as a psychic and being blessed with a power like Lin perhaps, this would made her a big threat towards Team Meteor. Even if Anna didn't "saw" her aura, what if Lin was aware about the girl's power and her ability to "reset" Reborn according to the prophecy. I would imagine, that Lin might need her "other half" to be complet in absolute power, so she could try to kidnap Anna and use her against us.

I do agree with you about Lin being a potential threat for Anna. Indeed, Anna wasn't able to see Lin when the latter was riding on Hydreigon above Tanzan Mountain, which doesn't mean Lin can't see Anna either. However, I doubt Lin would try to kidnap her. I think she would rather try to steal Nostra instead. After all, she already managed to pilfer two Pokemon from her enemies and forced them to abide by her rule: Ame's Ninetales and Gossip Gardevoir. What would prevent her from continuing? Also, Lin would probably not steal Jirachi simply to get more power, since she appears to already have the power of a God herself. At least, that's a thing we can assume when she summons the pile of dark material in the entrails of Agate City underwater while stating that only a God has the ability to create things from nothing. It would make more sense for Lin to steal Anna's Jirachi to strip Radomus' daughter of her ability to make wishes. That being said, it remains to be seen if she's aware of what the little girl is capable of.

20 hours ago, Evi Crystal said:

And Zero will have the most painful death recieved by Eve, because he firstly discovered her and being interreacly responsible for the creation of ZEL and giving Team Meoter their weapon.

Nah, there would be no point for a child to kill someone in any way. As Mindlack stipulated, it would just add more pain to the world. People like Eve and Lumi would certainly prefer making him prisoner if they had the opportunity to do that. However, Zero risks to have a hard time with his superiors since he would be held responsible for almost all the failing attempts concerning the protection of the PULSE machines he once built.

On 2/24/2020 at 9:20 AM, Kenneth said:

Then again, Us the player dying, seems extremely plausible.

 

In other videogames, that is the case, as well. Bioshock 2, for example. Speaking of which, trainer card makers do have a big daddy/little sister sprite even, lol!

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon deserves a mention too

[Lost Swordsman]

On 2/24/2020 at 3:38 AM, Q-Jei said:

And this same unknown person eventually gave birth to the ghostly Gym Leader TTar appreciates so much: Shade.

Is it just me or does anyone else think Shade is the former Yureyu President? 'Cuz the sprite makes me think he must have been the prez himself as he could have been caught in the earthquakes and turned into what is known as Shade. (Team Meteor would try to kill him to get rid of Yureyu forever.)

[Lost Swordsman]

On 2/24/2020 at 5:52 AM, Mindlack said:

literally nothing changes to the story.

But the player could've been killed by Garchomp like Kiki. The wish probably prevents that.

 

[Aphelli]

12 hours ago, Lost Swordsman said:

But the player could've been killed by Garchomp like Kiki. The wish probably prevents that.

 

That doesn’t seem to make sense. Either way, as you look at the overworld sprites, story-wise, the Garchomp is unharmed or barely harmed (Solaris must have had a Max Revive or something).
 

Even if we took down the Garchomp, Solaris has five Pokemon just as strong, any of which is able to effortlessly kill the player (or anyone on the volcano for that matter). It’s absurd if he decides to kill us if we lose (and thus get incinerated in the imminent eruption regardless), but spare us if we win (ie are more dangerous to his plans). 

[Q-Jei]

On 2/27/2020 at 1:16 AM, Mindlack said:

That doesn’t seem to make sense. Either way, as you look at the overworld sprites, story-wise, the Garchomp is unharmed or barely harmed (Solaris must have had a Max Revive or something).
 

Even if we took down the Garchomp, Solaris has five Pokemon just as strong, any of which is able to effortlessly kill the player (or anyone on the volcano for that matter). It’s absurd if he decides to kill us if we lose (and thus get incinerated in the imminent eruption regardless), but spare us if we win (ie are more dangerous to his plans). 

And yet, it's as if Solaris was actually someone who knew how to recognize those who are able to compete with him in terms of strength. He claims himself that this battle doesn't have any importance if you win, probably because the eruption will do the job instead of him. Anyway, the proof lies in his own words:

 

Solaris: Hmph. There's no point in continuing.

Cain: What do you mean, "no point"? It's a battle!

Solaris: It's inconsequential.

 

Note that the dialogue above only shows up if you beat Solaris. Conversely, all the allies around you will be flabbergasted by your failure, since they all had in mind that you were more a beast than they are. As a result, your level of protection will fall down to zero. Anything can happen to you from the moment you don't have Pokemon up to keep fighting, and Solaris can effortlessly delete you like he said before the start of the battle. Apart from that, I, too, believe that he used a Revive to resurrect Garchomp, even though nothing in the game will indicate it explicitly.

[Aphelli]

3 hours ago, Q-Jei said:

And yet, it's as if Solaris was actually someone who knew how to recognize those who are able to compete with him in terms of strength. He claims himself that this battle doesn't have any importance if you win, probably because the eruption will do the job instead of him. Anyway, the proof lies in his own words:

 

Solaris: Hmph. There's no point in continuing.

Cain: What do you mean, "no point"? It's a battle!

Solaris: It's inconsequential.

 

Note that the dialogue above only shows up if you beat Solaris. Conversely, all the allies around you will be flabbergasted by your failure, since they all had in mind that you were more a beast than they are. As a result, your level of protection will fall down to zero. Anything can happen to you from the moment you don't have Pokemon up to keep fighting, and Solaris can effortlessly delete you like he said before the start of the battle.

That’s a good interpretation, but I think it’s incomplete. 
 

Look at what happens before the battle (the quotes aren’t literal, obviously, but iirc the idea is there): 

 

Heroes: “stop right here, you’re evil and we’re heroes so we will thwart you.”

 

Solaris: “Wow, I am totally not impressed.”

 

Heroes: “Well, go get beat up by [PC] and we’ll talk then.”

 

Solaris: “[PC]? I will not need more than a single Pokemon to delete them.”

 

 

Meaning he probably hasn’t only Garchomp. Our (hypothetical) victory is “inconsequential”, not only because the eruption is going to happen very soon, but also because it results of a ”challenge” Solaris imposed to himself. 

 

Note also that Solaris inflicted really serious damages to Amaria while fleeing a battle he was losing. There is no question that he could kill us during a battle, whether or not he was losing, and Solaris knows we’re much weaker than Amaria. So he knows that, on the volcano, no matter how many Pokemon we still have, our actual protection level is negligible. 
 

The battle is inconsequential because both outcomes are identical for Solaris. Either way, he’s just as relatively strong, threatening and in control of the situation (especially with his, um, plant). 

[Bunni Blair]

Is it weird that I don't want Fern to die? I mean he IS a grasshole, and he did call the PC names, join Team Meteor, and yell at his sister. But is that really as bad as the things some of the other characters did? *cough* Lin and Sirius *cough* I really don't think he's that far from being able to be redeemed. I mean the only reason way he did that stuff is because he wants attention from the PC and Florinia.

 

But at the same time I'm afraid if he does have a change of heart, they're just going to kill him off. I've seen that happen too may times already to know. I mean that happened to Taka for Arceus' sake! So, it most likely will happen to Fern if he gets redeemed or helps the PC.

Edited March 1, 2020 by Lady Taria

[TheVentusX]

1 hour ago, Lady Taria said:

Is it weird that I don't want Fern to die? I mean he IS a grasshole, and he did call the PC names, join Team Meteor, and yell at his sister. But is that really as bad as the things some of the other characters did? *cough* Lin and Sirius *cough* I really don't think he's that far from being able to be redeemed. I mean the only reason way he did that stuff is because he wants attention from the PC and Florinia.

 

But at the same time I'm afraid if he is does change, they're just going to kill him off. I've seen that happen too may times already. I mean that happened to Taka for gosh sake! So, it most likely will happen to Fern if he gets redeemed or helps the PC.

I get what you mean. Personally I kinda understand his reasoning, because if you think about it, in the other timeline he was in the position of the PC, so he isn´t rotten to the core. Maybe the Fern from our timline felt, that the PC took something (the "Hero"role) that should belong to him and this clouded his mind and made him act like a grasshole towards the PC and when he saw that people like his sister support the PC his anger range expanded to them as well. In his search for power, that would help him to finally beat the PC and to reclaim what he lost, he joins Team Meteor as he sees them as his only chance to reach this goal. I don´t support his decisions, but I understand what drived him to this point and can´t be 100% mad at him, as there are persons who acted way more irrationally than Fern.

 

But as you and others said before, it is most likely, that the moment he realizes his own wrongdoings and tries to change, he either gets directly killed by Lin/Solaris/Sirius or sacrifices himself to atone for his sins and will tell the PC/Florina that he is sorry for everything with his last breaths.

 

But who knows, what Ame has in store for us 

 

 

[Q-Jei]

On 3/1/2020 at 1:16 AM, Lady Taria said:

Is it weird that I don't want Fern to die? I mean he IS a grasshole, and he did call the PC names, join Team Meteor, and yell at his sister. But is that really as bad as the things some of the other characters did? *cough* Lin and Sirius *cough* I really don't think he's that far from being able to be redeemed. I mean the only reason way he did that stuff is because he wants attention from the PC and Florinia.

 

But at the same time I'm afraid if he does have a change of heart, they're just going to kill him off. I've seen that happen too may times already to know. I mean that happened to Taka for Arceus' sake! So, it most likely will happen to Fern if he gets redeemed or helps the PC.

Fern is clearly not the worst character of the game to me. The most irritating, sure, but not the worst. If we look back at what the main members of Team Member have done until now, he's far behind most of them in terms of evilness.

 

Solaris: Slaughtered Kiki at the top of Mount Pyrous and ordered his Tyranitar to attack Amaria in Blacksteam Factory, injuring her seriously in the process.

Zero: Imposed his rule to Eve and Lumi to create more PULSE machines for Team Meteor, and tied up Amaria and Rini in the Obsidia Park.

Sirius: Burnt down the manor of the Belrose family, murdered Corey's wife, and wiped out Eclipse's soul using his Chandelure.

Dr. Sigmund: Applied electro-convulsive therapy on his patients, and used electric attacks against his adversaries to bypass difficult battles.

Blake: Pushed Cal out of the mountain, trying to get rid of him, and kept Heather locked up in a cabin at the top of Ametrine Mountain.

Lin: No comment.

 

What Fern essentially did until now was picking on us. Sure, he refused to help us when we got trapped by the Nuzleaf tribe in Rhodochine Jungle, and called Corey a fool after he jumped off the Beryl Bridge. But he also gave us useful information when we defeated him, as was the case in the Grand Hall when we needed the key to venture in Byxbysion Wasteland, or in Route 1 when he told us about Vanhanen Castle. He enjoyed teasing us, but he never raised the hand on anyone so far. Honestly, I tend to compare him to Draco Malfoy from Harry Potter. In his current position, he's more a follower than a leader. And I would not be surprised if he came to switch side if ever things became too nefarious or dangerous to him as the story unfolds.

[Aphelli]

7 hours ago, Q-Jei said:

Solaris: Slaughtered Kiki at the top of Mount Pyrous and ordered his Tyranitar to attack Amaria in Blacksteam Factory, injuring her seriously in the process.

Zero: Imposed his rule to Eve and Lumi to create more PULSE machines for Team Meteor, and tied up Amaria and Rini in the Obsidia Park.

Blake: Pushed Cal out of the mountain, trying to get rid of him, and kept Heather locked up in a cabin at the top of Ametrine Mountain.

I think you forgot some:

Solaris: had Grandview Station bombed, killing many people and completely sealing Reborn off its surroundings (ironical when his goal was to get the inhabitants to leave). Arranged for the lake to get hopelessly polluted, leaving (at the very least) thousands to rot slowly of disease, insufficient nutritution and slow poisoning. Tried to get a volcano to erupt to destroy Apophyll to the ground. I'm not sure, but I think he's the one behind the early-game PULSEs as well, who also did quite a toll on the city and the inhabitants.

Blake: while in charge for the a small isolated mountain town, arranged to lock all access to the city and withdrew all the food, letting the inhabitants to starve to death.

Zero: took of his own free will a deadly sick girl hostage to get her sister to do his bidding (although it's probably what you meant).

Spoiler

Also, that (insert expletive here) mind-controlled us, as well as Laura, Cain, Shelly -- (insert other foul expletive here) bug-guy was "only" an accomplice.

 

I do agree with your point about Fern not being evil, although I don't think there is going to be a "safe point" for him to turn back to the good side (not with Lin in control with Sirius as a second-in-command). I used to think his behavior deserved a suitable karmic punishment (something really not-cool, but otherwise harmless) but then I realized that's being petty.

Also, Fern as Draco Malfoy? I suppose that's a rather good comparison.