Salem Coven Chaos - Town Win

[Falirion]

Wait for some reason, i read poisoner as coven leader, for poisoner this holds true

[Astra125]

2 minutes ago, Falirion said:

This needs correction though, the coven leader is roleblock immune, so that doesn't clear any of these people (and also it makes no one claiming to have been witched during N1 even stranger)

These people are ones cleared from being the poisoner not coven leader. The list does need to be fixed because I forgot to removed Amine from it because he's dead. Aside from that, I think it's accurate hopefully.

[Falirion]

Yes i already noticed that i that i made my correction on the wrong point, point still is, the coven leader can't be blocked, so the coven leader definetly did their action N1, unless they abstained, so at a guess whoever was witched by the coven leader presumably didn't claim so *cough* Hypurr *cough*
 

[cicada]

Speaking of Hypurr, I'm still not sure if he's good. I guess only time will tell, and since we seem to have lost our only known investigative role (barring one of them), there's still a possibility either way. The only reason I could think of for the Coven Leader to keep me alive would be to paint suspicion on me. However, I can assure you I'm town. I'm not sure how you all view me right now, but hopefully we can get some information soon.

 

The fact that the Poisoner and Coven Leader have been confirmed leads me to believe there may not be any Mafia members, or they're simply inactive. I doubt we've been lucky enough to block/jail Mafia members throughout the entire game. On the plus side, we've been lucky to only lose 1 townie so far, but I'm not sure we can be so confident just yet. Does anyone have anything else to add?

[LykosHand]

Yeah i'm starting to think too that there isn't a mafia team here, it's too strange that they didn't kill anyone until now. 

 

I would keep an eye on Hypurr, but i think we should give him space to clear himself in my opinion if someone wants to vote him

 

Also oof Amine  and so Bean was third party... Well Bean to me could be any alignment because i don't know how to read him

 

And so Dive was lying about his role, we should be careful about who roleclaims from now on

[GenEric]

So now our known killing roles would be both of the coven members

If amine was visited by the coven leader that means they know one of our roles are

If only amine left a will then we could have known who he investigated

[Aldo]

Since we're talking about Hypurr, I am still unsure if he's good. I suppose we'll have a better lead eventually, and since I think Anime was our only investigative role, there's still a possibility either way. I think the Coven Leader is keeping Nicki alive to make them suspicious, but she can assure you that she's town. I, for one, hope I can get even more certain of this sureness of mine that she truly is. But I do hope we can have more information with time.

 

So far, we've seen only notifications of a Coven Leader and Poisoner, which you know of already. I think this quite leads to the thought that there is no Mafia faction. All of us had a certain degree of activity, and that 'twould be easy to say a random name to kill during the night if one were Mafia, not to mention how it's unlikely that the roleblockers and the protective role managed to have such luck thus far (assuming said roleblockers are town). Looking at the bright side of the situation, despite losing an important role, we're still looking good, but one can't be so confident just yet. Anyone else has anything to add?

[Aldo]

Ah. I had almost forgot.

 

Falirion, mimi, Drago.

 

[Trial] Drago

[Dragoknight]

So then. It seems we were right on getting Dive as the werewolf. And it seems we lost someone now......

Yeah, I really don't know what to make of Hypurr, but considering yesterday's reads I am fairly confident he is an evil role. Although his behavior so far kinda makes me feel he may be jester...

7 hours ago, cicada said:

The fact that the Poisoner and Coven Leader have been confirmed leads me to believe there may not be any Mafia members, or they're simply inactive. I doubt we've been lucky enough to block/jail Mafia members throughout the entire game. On the plus side, we've been lucky to only lose 1 townie so far, but I'm not sure we can be so confident just yet. Does anyone have anything else to add?

That does sound plausible. The no mafia part that is, at least not killing roles. I doubt they'd be inactive tho, but that would be good for us.

I suppose this also brings up who was poisoned last night. As well as any others roleblocked.

 

1 hour ago, Aldo said:

Falirion, mimi, Drago.

At least one is evil, yes? Since Mimi revealed herself as mayor, this is definitely a good read.

Well, I don't see the point of hiding my role.

I am the Lookout.

N1 I was jailed, and I gave jailor-sama the safeword.

N2 I visited Lykos and I saw Nicki visit him.

N3 I visited Mimi to which no one visited.

 

Fali showed up before on the reads, and now we have the reason why.

[Trial] Fali

[GenEric]

So Nicki is an escort

[Trial] Fali

[Astra125]

Sorry Fali. I didn't see it until after I posted.

I don't think there is a mafia with the amount of roles that might be in the game. There are a total of 14 roles claimed or implied with what everyone has said.

Confirmed roles: Poisoner, Doc, Pirate, Jailor, Mayor, Werewolf, Sheriff, Coven Leader (Pirate, Werewolf, and Sheriff are dead)

Claimed/Implied roles: Escort(Role I claimed) Consort/Hypnotist/Escort(The last roleblocker), Vampire Hunter(Claimed by Seal), Vampire(Implied by Seal's claim), Lookout(Claimed by Drago), Psychic(Claimed by Aldo)

There is only one role left unknown if everyone is telling the truth(to which I doubt) so mafia seems unlikely if everyone is telling the truth.

[Falirion]

Funny you should mention being a lookout, since that is my role, so either you are lying drago (in which case i would suspect alistair aswell, as i told him this in a whisper, would be a convienient thing for you to claim my role before i do, wouldn't it?) or aldo's psychic claim is fake (psychic claims are easy to fake) and we have 2 lookouts
anyway my NA list:
N1: Watching Alistair - was visited by Hypurr
N2: Watching Aldo - no one visited
N3: Was Roleblocked by Pirate and an Escort

Conlusion from the 1st Nights observation, Hypurr is neither the Coven leader nor the Poisoner, Alistair claims to not have recieved any system messages that night so Hypurr's role wouldn't cause any, IF he is a Jester then he was the coven leaders target N1, if not then he still can't be any of the dangerous roles we are looking for
Alistair also accused Hypurr before i mentioned my role and NA result, so Hypurr also isn't our starting Vampire
@Alistair Care to confirm this?

2 hours ago, Astra125 said:

Sorry Fali. I didn't see it until after I posted.

I don't think there is a mafia with the amount of roles that might be in the game. There are a total of 14 roles claimed or implied with what everyone has said.

Confirmed roles: Poisoner, Doc, Pirate, Jailor, Mayor, Werewolf, Sheriff, Coven Leader (Pirate, Werewolf, and Sheriff are dead)

Claimed/Implied roles: Escort(Role I claimed) Consort/Hypnotist/Escort(The last roleblocker), Vampire Hunter(Claimed by Seal), Vampire(Implied by Seal's claim), Lookout(Claimed by Drago), Psychic(Claimed by Aldo)

There is only one role left unknown if everyone is telling the truth(to which I doubt) so mafia seems unlikely if everyone is telling the truth.

Mayor (Town)
Jailor (Town)
Doctor (Town)
Lookout (Town)
Psychic (Town)
Vampire Hunter (Town)
Escort (Town)
Escort (Town)
Sheriff (Town)
Coven Leader (Coven)
Poisoner (Coven)
Pirate (Neutral Chaos)
Vampire (Neutral Chaos)
Werewolf (Neutral Killing)
Any

i had this in my last will among other things, this is the starting role list according to action's that happened, which matches with your List
anyway
If drago really does flip lookout then Aldo is lying
When i flip lookout, then drago is lying or aldo is lying
[Trial] Drago

[GenEric]

@cicada did you visit lykos on night 2?

[Falirion]

@Astra125 oh yeah one thing about your list, if a mafia faction exists, then there is always a mafioso or a godfather, if there is none but another mafia role left then that one turns into a mafioso, so there can't be a consort or hypnotist in this game, with only 1 any spot left, so the 2nd normal roleblocker is another escort
also just for confirmation, did you roleblock me in addition to bean, or was it the other roleblocker? (if you didn't block me don't say who you did, maybe someone stumbles over their claim)

the other roleblocker presumably being nicki, which would make drago's claim easy enough to make up for a coven member, they would know nicki's role and who they made her target (nicki claimed to be witched be the Coven leader N2)

[mimi]

6 hours ago, Aldo said:

Ah. I had almost forgot.

 

Falirion, mimi, Drago.

 

[Trial] Drago

Is this at least one of them is "town" or "evil"? 

[Falirion]

6 minutes ago, mimi said:

Is this at least one of them is "town" or "evil"? 

Atleast one of them evil, so me or drago
Unless you were vamped which is why i was attempting to whisper you, if you are vamped i would be able to, it would also disprove drago's claim, but things can't just be that easy

[GenEric]

24 minutes ago, Falirion said:

@Astra125 oh yeah one thing about your list, if a mafia faction exists, then there is always a mafioso or a godfather, if there is none but another mafia role left then that one turns into a mafioso, so there can't be a consort or hypnotist in this game, with only 1 any spot left, so the 2nd normal roleblocker is another escort
also just for confirmation, did you roleblock me in addition to bean, or was it the other roleblocker? (if you didn't block me don't say who you did, maybe someone stumbles over their claim)

the other roleblocker presumably being nicki, which would make drago's claim easy enough to make up for a coven member, they would know nicki's role and who they made her target (nicki claimed to be witched be the Coven leader N2)

So basically if we know what role Nicki is we can just off Matt right? 

[Falirion]

1 hour ago, GenEric said:

So basically if we know what role Nicki is we can just off Matt right? 

I mean i would prefer that, but for all you know it's either one of us, i am saying matt is lying

Also since i just noticed a rather fatal spelling error on my part, it's supposed to say, "nicki claimed to be witched by the Coven leader N2"
Nicki can't be any coven role in fact, as Amine the sheriff found her innocent during N2, both Coven leader and Poisoner would have shown as suspicious to him
see here

On 4/27/2020 at 9:48 PM, Amine said:

I investigated Nicki and she appeared innocent

 

[Alistair]

I can confirm Falirion's assertions, or at least, they're consistent with what he told me in whispers.

 

HOWEVER.

Hypurr privately told me that he visited Mimi N1, which contradicts Fali's version.

Also, we have Falirion, Drago and Hypurr who all claimed Lookout at some point. Even if it's technically possible to have duplicate roles in this game, I think that's a bit too many Lookouts, especially considering it's one of the easiest roles for scum to claim.

 

Mimi being confirmed Mayor, I think the course of action is clear. Let's lynch Drago first, then Falirion and/or Hypurr and/or Aldo depending on what Drago flips as.

My condolences if you're town Drago but we need this to clear the path.

 

[Trial] Drago

[Dragoknight]

37 minutes ago, Alistair said:

I can confirm Falirion's assertions, or at least, they're consistent with what he told me in whispers.

 

HOWEVER.

Hypurr privately told me that he visited Mimi N1, which contradicts Fali's version.

Also, we have Falirion, Drago and Hypurr who all claimed Lookout at some point. Even if it's technically possible to have duplicate roles in this game, I think that's a bit too many Lookouts, especially considering it's one of the easiest roles for scum to claim.

 

Mimi being confirmed Mayor, I think the course of action is clear. Let's lynch Drago first, then Falirion and/or Hypurr and/or Aldo depending on what Drago flips as.

My condolences if you're town Drago but we need this to clear the path.

Wait so you're saying Hypurr claimed Lookout in the whispers? That could change some things....

3 Lookouts does seem like a stretch....

 

On 4/26/2020 at 12:01 PM, Aldo said:

I'm Psychic. Daniel, Falirion, Hypurr. At least one of them is evil.

In Aldo's first read, I was fairly confident Hypurr was an evil role. And while he still may be, if it is Fali lying, there is a greater chance Hypurr may actually be innocent here.

I urge you to reconsider. I had claimed to the jailor N1. I am but a poor boi.

 

[Astra125]

I intend on keeping a secret on who I roleblocked for now because I'm trying to figure out something behind it. Also, this reminds me, @EndearingCharacterTrait and @Seal. Were either of you poisoned because everyone else has talked and no one has mentioned it.

 

As for Drago vs Fali, I'll be honest and say I don't entirely trust Aldo's claim of psychic since there isn't much to prove that he's telling the truth, especially since he hasn't followed up on them but instead has been following Bean of all people. However, there isn't much I can do about it so I'll move on for now. One of Drago and Fali is lying because if we trust both claims, then the last mysterious role is lookout but I doubt that since that would leave only 2 coven. Hardly coven chaos with only 2 coven. Between the two, I'm not sure. Drago was jailed N1 so jailer would know if Drago is lying about lookout since I assume jailer asked for Drago's role. However, I feel like Drago's second night explains things too well with Lykos and Nicki. The more I try to think about this, the more I'm confused.

 

Two last things. First, I think you should reveal yourself Nicki since you said coven leader already knows you role and it might help clear somethings up, though that's up to you. I know you don't know who you visited N2 but info on who you originally targeted might be nice. Second, does 3 coven sound too little for a game titled Coven Chaos assuming the last mysterious role is coven? If the last role isn't coven, then 2 coven is definitely way too small for this game. I don't think all coven are in the game as I find it hard for Medusa to exist without that role doing something already but I think others are masking their role as something else. Could be me being paranoid though

[cicada]

Hi yes I return from the land of sleeping.

 

Please excuse me as it’s a little hard to format things on mobile, I’ll try my best.

1 hour ago, Astra125 said:

First, I think you should reveal yourself Nicki since you said coven leader already knows you role and it might help clear somethings up,

I am, indeed, the other Escort. I lied about being roleblocked before since Escorts are immune to being roleblocked and I did not want to paint a huge target on my back.

1 hour ago, Astra125 said:

Second, does 3 coven sound too little for a game titled Coven Chaos assuming the last mysterious role is coven?

It does not, surprisingly; there can literally be any role and any amount of one non-unique role in play at the same time. You could even find 1 mafia, 1 coven, a bunch of third parties, and only 1 or 2 townies. In the actual ToS game, it’s suuuuper unbalanced as anything can happen, though because this is a game on the forums, I predict it was made a bit more balanced.

1 hour ago, Astra125 said:

I know you don't know who you visited N2 but info on who you originally targeted might be nice.

I had actually targetted Eric both N1 and N2, however on N2 I did get visited by the Coven Leader and I’m not sure where I ended up (presumably Lykos, since you visited Dive).

12 hours ago, Aldo said:

Falirion, mimi, Drago.

Fali has appeared in this evils list twice now. Why are we voting Matt?

3 hours ago, Alistair said:

Hypurr privately told me that he visited Mimi N1, which contradicts Fali's version.

Someone is lying here.

[Dragoknight]

2 hours ago, Astra125 said:

As for Drago vs Fali, I'll be honest and say I don't entirely trust Aldo's claim of psychic since there isn't much to prove that he's telling the truth, especially since he hasn't followed up on them but instead has been following Bean of all people. However, there isn't much I can do about it so I'll move on for now. One of Drago and Fali is lying because if we trust both claims, then the last mysterious role is lookout but I doubt that since that would leave only 2 coven. Hardly coven chaos with only 2 coven. Between the two, I'm not sure. Drago was jailed N1 so jailer would know if Drago is lying about lookout since I assume jailer asked for Drago's role. However, I feel like Drago's second night explains things too well with Lykos and Nicki. The more I try to think about this, the more I'm confused.

I admit, I have been taking Aldo's claims at face value. The fact that we are where we are could mean he may be lying to us.

I mean, getting Dive correct by chance isn't that farfetch'd I suppose. Psychic is a relatively easy claim, and Aldo can be quite deceptive.

 

But then we have the conundrum of 3 lookouts. My initial instincts tell me Fali is lying about his role, simply taking my own as his when Aldo came up.

Also, I can't help but feel there is something to him bringing up Hypurr possibly being witched by the CL, and then claiming that he visited Hypurr's target. Almost like he knew....

 

But on the chance that both Fali and I are indeed lookouts, we can say for certain Aldo is lying about being psychic.

As for Hypurr being the 3rd lookout......

.....well it is possibly (although quite unlikely), but I could also see him lying about his own role just to throw some chaos into the mix.

 

1 hour ago, cicada said:

It does not, surprisingly; there can literally be any role and any amount of one non-unique role in play at the same time. You could even find 1 mafia, 1 coven, a bunch of third parties, and only 1 or 2 townies. In the actual ToS game, it’s suuuuper unbalanced as anything can happen, though because this is a game on the forums, I predict it was made a bit more balanced.

2 hours ago, Astra125 said:

I know you don't know who you visited N2 but info on who you originally targeted might be nice.

I had actually targetted Eric both N1 and N2, however on N2 I did get visited by the Coven Leader and I’m not sure where I ended up (presumably Lykos, since you visited Dive).

Good ole chaos. My favourite.

also what do you have against Ericc roleblocking him Yeah I figured the CL must've dragged you over to Lykos when you claimed you were targeted.

 

1 hour ago, cicada said:

4 hours ago, Alistair said:

Hypurr privately told me that he visited Mimi N1, which contradicts Fali's version.

Someone is lying here.

Indeed. Things don't add up......

and this is coming from the statistician here 

[Alistair]

Well yes, it's pretty established by now that one or several among Drago, Falirion, Hypurr and Aldo is bsing, and I don't think it's Aldo. It's not impossible, but throwing three random names and having one of them actually flipping scum takes some balls, and some luck.

 

I don't really care which, but I think we should definitely get the "Lookouts" on trial today. Everyone who hasn't voted yet, please take your pick, and if it comes down to it I'll line my vote with the likeliest target so we can at least get a trial going.

[cicada]

[vote] Fali.

 

I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you. If I’m wrong, fair enough. However, you appearing twice on Aldo’s evil list can’t just be a coincidence. As Ali said, it would take some balls to lie about being Psychic, as well as luck for accurately guessing Dive being evil.

 

I’m still iffy on Hypurr but I think Fali is more of a priority lynch right now considering he appeared twice.