Theory Crafting Thread

[Node15]

Or it could be a seperate timeline since we know those exist and that Madame X can seemingly hop between them it would explain why she says how many times are you going to put her through this like this exact scenario had happened in multiple different timelines.

[Between Life and Death]

5 minutes ago, Node15 said:

Or it could be a seperate timeline since we know those exist and that Madame X can seemingly hop between them it would explain why she says how many times are you going to put her through this like this exact scenario had happened in multiple different timelines.

Yeah, that's what I was saying. But it only works if the timelines merged at some point, and had already begun merging before the calamity.

[Feng Lei]

4 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Yeah, that's what I was saying. But it only works if the timelines merged at some point, and had already begun merging before the calamity.

I've been thinking this exact thing! It would suddenly explain the involvement of seemingly two Garufa. A technological one, and a truely magical one. Things are not as they seem. . .

 

If Maria is in the crystal... then maybe the 4 children are the result of extracting pieces of her personality, or something. I got no clue at this point. Because that is WEIRD.

 

Here's a thought that's been nagging me: exactly when did Chrysalis Mansion events take place for us while we were there? Could it have been post-calamity after all? We know it got turned into a hotel somehow... and Chrysalis makes me think of Yveltal. But it could have referred to Maria in her crystal prison.

[Feng Lei]

Wait, where exactly in the desert can we find the prologue house? The mysterious house below Sashilla is the one Crescent was sitting at, was it not? At Valor Mountain when she saves us from death?

[iiiiitamar]

33 minutes ago, Feng Lei said:

Wait, where exactly in the desert can we find the prologue house? The mysterious house below Sashilla is the one Crescent was sitting at, was it not? At Valor Mountain when she saves us from death?

That is the house that appears in the prologue, but it could also be the house crescent seats next to.

[Between Life and Death]

1 hour ago, Feng Lei said:

Wait, where exactly in the desert can we find the prologue house? The mysterious house below Sashilla is the one Crescent was sitting at, was it not? At Valor Mountain when she saves us from death?

Yes, it was. But the layout of the inside is exactly like the layout of the house in the prologue. You can even find the portrait of Maria's family in GDC, hang it up where it originally was in the prologue, and in response the basement will open and you can see the room where Vitus sacrificed his wife. So yes, both the house in the prologue and the Marble Mansion exist simultaneously.

 

But that's not even the weirdest part. When you walk around the house, the player character themself starts having flashbacks to the prologue. Which clearly has something to do with them appearing outside of the house when you "die." So it appears that Marianette and the player have a weird connection.

[iiiiitamar]

16 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Yes, it was. But the layout of the inside is exactly like the layout of the house in the prologue. You can even find the portrait of Maria's family in GDC, hang it up where it originally was in the prologue, and in response the basement will open and you can see the room where Vitus sacrificed his wife. So yes, both the house in the prologue and the Marble Mansion exist simultaneously.

 

But that's not even the weirdest part. When you walk around the house, the player character themself starts having flashbacks to the prologue. Which clearly has something to do with them appearing outside of the house when you "die." So it appears that Marianette and the player have a weird connection.

Maybe the mc and Maria are the same person/ are related.

[Between Life and Death]

3 hours ago, iiiiitamar said:

Maybe the mc and Maria are the same person/ are related.

Actually, you know what I've realized? There is NO evidence that Maria and Melia are the same person. The game kind of just lets you assume that. But the only thing suggesting that is that when Angie tries to sacrifice Melia, Melia says she's "experienced this before." But that's flimsy evidence at best; presumably many people have been sacrificed in the past.

[Feng Lei]

22 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Yes, it was. But the layout of the inside is exactly like the layout of the house in the prologue. You can even find the portrait of Maria's family in GDC, hang it up where it originally was in the prologue, and in response the basement will open and you can see the room where Vitus sacrificed his wife. So yes, both the house in the prologue and the Marble Mansion exist simultaneously.

 

But that's not even the weirdest part. When you walk around the house, the player character themself starts having flashbacks to the prologue. Which clearly has something to do with them appearing outside of the house when you "die." So it appears that Marianette and the player have a weird connection.

OMG I DID NOT KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT WITH THE PORTRAIT!

 

And yes, it is possible Melia and Maria are indeed separate people.

 

Now, when it comes to the Interceptor, that's where things can get all kinds of confusing. I am going to assume at the moment that whatever happened in that house, it was the most critical moment, or the point whereby the Interceptor is grafted into events, and is shown the prologue due to its dire significance as the very incident that triggers the disasters to come.

 

Now, another thought on all this happening more than once: we know Anathea dies twice, basically. What if she and Kanon are the same kind of entity? There was an original Anathea, presumably the one Tangrowthed. But it is possible that the one we see in the prologue is in fact a special Kanon-style maid. We've seen clearly he is basically a hormunculus, and Anathea-Prologue version might indeed be such a creature.

 

Then there's the Maria bit. It could be we witness her final moments in the prologue, and the result is the Archetype splitting again into 4. That would make sense, so far as I know, if not for the fact that Isiah had data on the Theolias indicating they all existed prior to the siblings vanishing and their hair turning gold. But what if that's misdirection? Perhaps Freya did it? We know at least Risa Raider was lurking nearby at the time... possibly stalking us JUST to prevent us from piecing too much together. Though she did try and hint as something critical with that Garufa nuke (which was always empty. Weirdest moment in that chapter).

[Feng Lei]

8 minutes ago, Feng Lei said:

OMG I DID NOT KNOW YOU COULD DO THAT WITH THE PORTRAIT!

 

And yes, it is possible Melia and Maria are indeed separate people.

 

Now, when it comes to the Interceptor, that's where things can get all kinds of confusing. I am going to assume at the moment that whatever happened in that house, it was the most critical moment, or the point whereby the Interceptor is grafted into events, and is shown the prologue due to its dire significance as the very incident that triggers the disasters to come.

 

Now, another thought on all this happening more than once: we know Anathea dies twice, basically. What if she and Kanon are the same kind of entity? There was an original Anathea, presumably the one Tangrowthed. But it is possible that the one we see in the prologue is in fact a special Kanon-style maid. We've seen clearly he is basically a hormunculus, and Anathea-Prologue version might indeed be such a creature.

 

Then there's the Maria bit. It could be we witness her final moments in the prologue, and the result is the Archetype splitting into 4. That would make sense, so far as I know, if not for the fact that Isiah had data on the Theolias indicating they all existed prior to the siblings vanishing and their hair turning gold. But what if that's misdirection? Perhaps Freya did it? We know at least Risa Raider was lurking nearby at the time... possibly stalking us JUST to prevent us from piecing too much together. Though she did try and hint as something critical with that Garufa nuke (which was always empty. Weirdest moment in that chapter).

 

[iiiiitamar]

2 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Actually, you know what I've realized? There is NO evidence that Maria and Melia are the same person. The game kind of just lets you assume that. But the only thing suggesting that is that when Angie tries to sacrifice Melia, Melia says she's "experienced this before." But that's flimsy evidence at best; presumably many people have been sacrificed in the past.

Something else that hints that they are not the same person is that when you enter the lab for the first time you run into melia and unlike marrianette she doesn't recognize you.

 

[Between Life and Death]

1 hour ago, iiiiitamar said:

Something else that hints that they are not the same person is that when you enter the lab for the first time you run into melia and unlike marrianette she doesn't recognize you.

 

Oh, I don't think anybody thought that Melia would have any memories as Maria, just that she was a reincarnation or something. But really, their only similarities are that they're both blonde and that they both have superpowers. The blondeness, if it isn't just coincidence, could be because they were both near the archetype at some point. And they don't even necessarily have the same kind of superpowers; we never saw Maria use any kind of light to make things grow.

 

Is it possible that Maria was a past interceptor instead? The "remember who you are" thing Madame X said would still make sense.

[Between Life and Death]

2 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

Now, when it comes to the Interceptor, that's where things can get all kinds of confusing. I am going to assume at the moment that whatever happened in that house, it was the most critical moment, or the point whereby the Interceptor is grafted into events, and is shown the prologue due to its dire significance as the very incident that triggers the disasters to come.

Good thought.

2 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

Now, another thought on all this happening more than once: we know Anathea dies twice, basically. What if she and Kanon are the same kind of entity? There was an original Anathea, presumably the one Tangrowthed. But it is possible that the one we see in the prologue is in fact a special Kanon-style maid. We've seen clearly he is basically a hormunculus, and Anathea-Prologue version might indeed be such a creature.

 

That can't be true, since she's inside the soul stone now. (Speaking of: if Maria were Melia, Anathea would definitely have popped out when you came into contact).

2 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

Then there's the Maria bit. It could be we witness her final moments in the prologue, and the result is the Archetype splitting again into 4. That would make sense, so far as I know, if not for the fact that Isiah had data on the Theolias indicating they all existed prior to the siblings vanishing and their hair turning gold. But what if that's misdirection? Perhaps Freya did it? We know at least Risa Raider was lurking nearby at the time... possibly stalking us JUST to prevent us from piecing too much together. Though she did try and hint as something critical with that Garufa nuke (which was always empty. Weirdest moment in that chapter).

I kind of doubt Freya would be THAT sophisticated. Thanks for bringing up that Garufa Nuke though, I'd forgotten about it. Weird that Freya would want us to know about it.

 

Are we all pretty certain that Risa is Freya? Because if so, Aelita and Texen have a common enemy. They could join forces against her, and Texen would get his redemption arc.

[Display name]

No I don't think risa is freya. freya could  be a 2nd interceptor

Edited June 27, 2020 by Display name

[Edo]

4 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

Are we all pretty certain that Risa is Freya? Because if so, Aelita and Texen have a common enemy. They could join forces against her, and Texen would get his redemption arc.

Well, most people think so because of Tuff-Puff having the same stats and moveset as Freya?'s Naganadel, but this is the only direct connection.    

 

Then there's the fact that Saki and co., after being attacked by Freya?, got their memories deleted by Isha, which hints at another connection, since Risa's file in the hospital mentioned some terminal illness.
Some think that Risa died and was impersonated by Freya?, but lots of other patients got suddenly healed from their terminal illnesses as well (Remember that Isha has a 100% success rate, so there are bound to be even more cases which we havent read any files about). This means he's doing it in some other way, they can't impersonate every single patient after all, and it's not like Freya? has the time to impersonate someone every day for such a long time. Might be that she only impersonated her at Ground Zero.

Since it's revealed that Isha and his father Isiah know how to transplant memories, my guess would be that they might have replaced the patients with something like an identical doll or clone and gave them the original's memories to fake a 100% rate, while letting the originals die in secret. And, I mean, Neved's daughter still isn't healed for some reason, guess Team Xen won't let him conduct his dubious practices on an Admin's daughter.

[TheHellHamster]

13 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

There is NO evidence that Maria and Melia are the same person.

Back when Angie tried to sacrifice Melia there are a few frames where she turns into Maria. Though personally I'm on the side of Maria being all four Theolia children this is an important connection either way.

[Between Life and Death]

3 hours ago, TheHellHamster said:

Back when Angie tried to sacrifice Melia there are a few frames where she turns into Maria.

She doesn't. She turns into her early-game sprite.

 

Here's the sprite she momentarily turns into on the altar.

 

And here's the sprite she has when you first meet her in Goldenwood Forest.

 

[Feng Lei]

16 hours ago, Edo said:

Well, most people think so because of Tuff-Puff having the same stats and moveset as Freya?'s Naganadel, but this is the only direct connection.    

 

Then there's the fact that Saki and co., after being attacked by Freya?, got their memories deleted by Isha, which hints at another connection, since Risa's file in the hospital mentioned some terminal illness.
Some think that Risa died and was impersonated by Freya?, but lots of other patients got suddenly healed from their terminal illnesses as well (Remember that Isha has a 100% success rate, so there are bound to be even more cases which we havent read any files about). This means he's doing it in some other way, they can't impersonate every single patient after all, and it's not like Freya? has the time to impersonate someone every day for such a long time. Might be that she only impersonated her at Ground Zero.

Since it's revealed that Isha and his father Isiah know how to transplant memories, my guess would be that they might have replaced the patients with something like an identical doll or clone and gave them the original's memories to fake a 100% rate, while letting the originals die in secret. And, I mean, Neved's daughter still isn't healed for some reason, guess Team Xen won't let him conduct his dubious practices on an Admin's daughter.

I'm playing Where Love Lies right now. Honestly, this is hype and really, really should by all rights be in the main game. Right after you and Aelita meet up again, in fact, and you go to sleep in the Xen aircraft. It would be so perfectly tie things in... and would fit nice and snug and prevent that conversation with Aelita from being very, very awkward and needlessly confusing.

 

I bring that up because, my primary reason for believing Risa Raider is Freya, or at least the character who calls herself Risa Raider, is the speech patterns. In Where Love Lies, the encounter with Taelia has Freya talking in a manner veeerrry similar to Risa Raider. Dead on accurate. Also she is acting in a previous segment. And Risa is supposedly a great actor... Then we have the fact both wear coverings over their eyes. Highly suspicious. And then TuffPuff. That Jiggly aint' normal whatever the truth is. We also know RR is a master engineer. Which is where the Saki theory comes from. But Risa is too well known for one to assume she has not displayed those skills before. Or who knows? Maybe she really was turned into the terminally ill Risa Raider because Saki has similar skills. I can't say. But it would behoove us all to watch closely to see if Freya exibits excellent engineering ability. If so, that's another piece of damning evidence that she is Risa Raider.

 

My thought is Risa Raider actually did in fact die and Freya took over. Which explains why she is caught up in all this.

 

Here's another one that's been brewing for too long! I cannot hold it in!

 

My theory:

 

Saki Blakeory, or perhaps her mother, is Madame X. This is the most absurd thing in the world and it is so riddled with holes that it counts more as a vegetable colander than anything remotely watertight. But I cannot help it!  The moment she pulls out that sword and starts talking to herself about trying out the laser gimmick, I just saw Saki behind that visor and could not look away from that disturbing thought.

This happened during my second playthrough back in March. The first was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2018. The game was not good. It also wasn't far enough along to give me payoff for all the complex plot threads, which are starting to slowly, but surely, converge. Suffice to say I thoroughly enjoyed my replay and now Rejuv is my overall favorite pokemon game. The music is insanely perfect. Not a track out of place.

 

Anyway, I was enjoying the story immensely, so wild theories tended to crop up. But this Madame X equals Saki thing just would not stop.

 

Here's my observations:

1: Mannerisms. Specifically: Dramatics. 

 

Madame X talks in an almost cliche fashion that makes her look really stereotypical, at least until we learn more about what's going on in the past. She blossoms as her own character from that point forward and it just keeps getting better. Awesome character. But. But, she still has this behavior that feels almost apart from reality, like she's putting on an iron facade for appearance sake.

 

When on Terajuma, I noticed something. Saki slips into the same mode of speech, particularly during the moment with Amber. This is meant as a humorous point (and it is still the funniest darned thing I have ever seen in Pokemon. It was perfect!), but it is not, in fact, without some interesting insight into Saki. Her eyes glow red, perhaps hinting she's actually an android? (If she's not Madame X then I'm convinced she's been murdered and downloaded herself into Sakitron. It would make too much sense and there is this very strange dialogue she has with the Interceptor during her house sidequest. It was weird. Like she was referencing something from Terajuma.) 

 

That aside, Saki takes out, from nowhere, this.... thing, and attacks Amber with the very clear intent to kill her. This is funny, but only because it's a game. She really did intend to commit murder. Her speech was dead-on Madame X. It was dramatic. Yes, yes, lots of people are dramatic in the story. Like Veronica. But only Saki has shown this... flair for malevolent over-the-top drama. She also pulls that weapon out of nowhere, and that has to have in-story explanation somehow.

 

Guess who also pulls a sword out of literally nowhere?

 

Madame X!

 

And it fires lasers. Speaking of, she has high-tech turrets everywhere. And she clearly wears a mechanical suit.

 

Then we should consider Saki's character.

2. Saki's Character!

 

We know nothing about her genuine personality, or why she behaves so weird. It's bizarre. I don't find her behavior rational within the context of what we know of her. It's like she is supposed to be a Terra knock-off, and honestly that may have been the original intent with her. But clearly her behavior has its own development in the story. What is it then? What could drive someone to such extremes? This is coming from my own life, but I reacted in childhood to heavy burdens and psychological stress by acting almost exactly the way Saki appears to be. Never a serious moment. Because the serious moments could get very, very bitter and dark. Maybe this is why it comes to mind that, we really, really don't know ANYTHING about the modern Blakeory household. Where are the parents? Why does Saki have a half-brother? Where is Saki's mom? Is she the new woman? But Saki is the younger sibling, despite being scion of the family wealth... and the grandparents, one of which is Hazuki, dote on her. Her grandfather, scum though he is, also seems to actually love her from what we can see. Is there maybe a reason for this beyond her being simply the favorite? You'd think Thomas the Second, chiseled from the old tree such that he's a LOT like his grandfather, would be favored more... at first glimpse, of course.

 

Which carries the point, we only get glimpses. It just feels so deliberate. We really don't anything about Saki. Compare this with literally EVERYONE else by the end of Terajuma. We interact with Valerie constantly. There are all sorts of great moments with her. Melia continues to develop. Adam... kinda does, in subtle ways. And we spend time with them all. Save one in particular that we barely encounter throughout the entire arc... Saki.

 

This is consistent with our entire experience with Saki Blakeory. She is a gag. She is NEVER serious. She is NEVER there when her friends or the plot need her. And NOBODY is not there when the plot needs them! How DARE she? SEC will hear of this! SEC denounces from his molten, ash-strewn grave!

 

Ahem. Pardon me, I don't quite know what came over my person.

 

Through my playthrough, I was struck how well the characters develop. Erin grows as a character beautifully. And Venam slowly turning over a new leaf is going along excellently. I could go on, and on, and on. Even otherwise gag or side characters get focus. Piano Lady even gets a little development arc. People we only meet later in the story, Reina, Heuy and Lavender specifically, become paramount in their development and importance.

 

Only Saki Blakeory is missing. Only she is somehow, throughout the Interceptor's journey, remains aloof or missing. Her attitude is what makes her aloof. When Angie is threatening people she could care about, she plays video games and spouts nonsense, like there's no danger. It's as if she is unconcerned by it all. Like she might even know some foregone conclusions...

 

But all that could be nothing. Surely. Well that's the generalizing. Generally, she is weird and not given enough player interaction to come off as anything but a one-dimensional and half-baked comic relief with benefits. It was a reason I didn't like my first playthrough waaaaaaaay back in 2018. She has no use and is pretty annoying. Everyone in-game agrees. What gives?

But isn't that all there is to her? It's not like there's any-

 

3. Suspicious Behavior.

 

Let us back up and let me give my three assumptions I'm making when I say Saki Blakeory is Madame X. By this, I mean she will become Madame X, not that she's somehow walking around Xen Headquarters half the time. No, not at all! That would be absurd. Though with ther Ultimate Engineering (TM), maybe she could...

 

The three assumptions: 1: She knows she will become Madame X in the future. (She knows it "is her Destiny", "Duty", or whatever. She knows therefore, things about the overall plot even we the players as of yet do not know. How much she knows may be inconsistent with what Madame X or the Blakeories know now or will know later.) She may even have her memories tampered with in all SORTS of ways thanks to Isha. With Isha, nobody's psyche is safe from Greenbaum-style programming. But I will assume she hasn't been tampered with by Isha, or wasn't at the time of Terajuma before her disappearance. 2: She has specific duties to perform. I don't know what these are but I assume not all her actions are as flighty as they seem. She is a Jar Jar Binks is actually a Malevolent Whil kind of character. Which is basically what Terra is. Ridiculous, even insufferably annoying. But important. Maybe even critical! (Seriously, though, go research the Binks theory and then  watch Episode I paying attention to Binks. It's rather disturbing... especially the planet core part where he controls the movements of the first fish with his hands...) And then there's.... uh... 3: I forget three.

 

Wait no. No I don't. I remember now. The Blakeories and Team Xen are directly related and work or at least benefit each other. Duh. this is why I suck at math

 

Taking all that into consideration, let's review what Saki actually does and the consequences of what she does-

 

1. She is first encountered at Chrysolia Hotel. You know, nothing creepy or sinister about it. Just that it's where Zelda MARIA WAS HELD PRISONER BY Ganondorf INDRIAD in Krystal's crystal! Seriously, Andross and his krozoa spirit buds gonna file law suits. She lives in West Gearen. Why. Why? Why was she there? Where was her room? Nothing to bother packing? What was she doing there instead of being in Akuwa Town? Or home? Or GDC? Why isn't her home with her family? Where they built a freaking STADIUM for her? Nothing about that very cold, ominously dark grey and green house makes sense. Save that it belongs somewhere in a Nickelodeon cartoon. M-Maybe she was in the underground chambers doing something... until she notices your suspicious personage and tries to finish you off with the available equipment (luggage trolley), improvising a way to slay a suspicious looking Meddling Kid (TM). Or perhaps after committing acts in the dark that would bring pleasure only to Rift Gardevoir, she went to pretend she was a careless, flippant, spoiled rich girl in a hotel. 

This is an important point to stop and remember that the Blakeories absolutely know what they were building that hotel out of. They are Garufan, and they visited the chambers. And, most important of all in context of the main game content: the curator at the Chrysolia Hotel knows about ancient Garufan sites. He knows about the Library, after all... Or hints he does. Maybe he knows about what is beneath his hotel.

 

We KNOW, or can infer, there is still underground chambers there. The swimming pool has a Totodile in it that surfaces from seemingly nowhere. It seems the Blakeories flooded the Garufa areas. Or so it appears... anyway.

 

Regardless her presence at the hotel is somewhat strange.

1. u r annoying # list feature
2. I lost my train of thought. Oh Arceus why. Trainwreck. Brainwreck.
3. How convenient is it that at Blacksteeple, we find Saki right next to our own cell? How odd. She is the one who mentions to us the last resident of the cell vanished (or I recall this. Correct me if I am wrong here). But she doesn't seem to know why. She is an engineer and yet she doesn't know about the obvious crack in the wall? It's almost that cell was left off limits. Strange. But not really more than video game plot and 4-wall game mechanics humor doesn't explain. And I personally believe that is all this is. But it's worth mentioning. Next, and most important, she is at Blacksteeple. She seems generally unconcerned with her predicament. When tasked with destroying the pokeball signal, she outright rips the antenna out of the ground and hurls with unbelievable superhuman strength. How? Why would she do something so stupid. It's like Dexter and Deedee fused. I don't get it. I watched too much tv as a kid What are the consequences of this escapade? The Interceptor gets caught, lacking superhuman skillz or Lin's Debugod menu, and gets thrown into the cell. The others escape, thwarted. Did she do this on purpose? What would it serve? I'll tell you. It kept everyone delayed just a little. A litttttle bit longer. Until The Madame, arrived. Cruel. Calculating. She was toying with everyone the whole while. And all this time she intended to just... slip away, up to Neved's room, when the killing started. Or whatever it was Madame X intended. There's also Saki's troublemaking with the guards that opens the way for Braixen and Valerie to enter the pokeball denial machine's cave.
4. At Terajuma, Saki is sent flying a far distance. One would call this straight up humor. But the girl had to have practically flown, and possess incredible durability. Who else has shown disregard for falling far and landing without trouble? Probably lots of people, but Madame X especially shows she is not scared of jumping from very high up and landing without so much as a thought to it. Could Saki's durability be more than mere anime fun? Maybe. One thing is for sure: she didn't stay where she landed.
5. Where did Saki go up until she is found in Aquamarine Cave? Why no rangers find her? Did she just... swim all the way and bypass the jungle? Why didn't she find help? Was she not hungry? Thirsty? Dirty? How come she is the most pampered gal out of the whole bunch and she seems to have no qualms about hiking through a jungle that tires out literally the entire cast present? Was she just catapulted straight to Aquamarine Cave and set to wandering aimelessly like the mindless gherkin she pretends to be?
6. There is a BIG problem with the beginning of Terajuma. Have any of you noticed yet? Gears spinning? Did I somehow outsmart you guys? Maybe, but SEC wasn't outsmarted! No! SEC knew.
7. Go away SEC.
8. SEC is part of you now. He migrated after the last backup blew up. You are mine.
9. No. Lul.
10. The big problem. The big, big problem is: the Team Xen ship got teleported by Spacea and Tiempa hooliganry. They literally ended up AT ONCE, in the OPPOSITE, the OPPOSITE!! direction to where they were headed, according to the characters. And yet we are led to believe, despite her vast intelligence, that Nastasia just happened to have resources available for Geara and Zetta when they escaped? Really? Ok maybe. But not much time was spent between the arrival and the attack of the Deoxys, right? (Forgive me if I missed a couple days. But we never learn just why or how Geera and Zetta got so much resources, and which. Why no flying semi-truck? Is that Nastasias or maybe wasn't built until the Zone Zero mission? The Teleport Pad was very idiotic and apparently dangerous. Why in the world would Nastasia, knowing this much, dare to leave Melia's transfer to something that might leave in itty bitty pieces like Geara? That makes no sense. Unless... someone contacted Xen HQ before Geara and Zetta did, and asked for a different resource set than they did...
11. Back to Aquamarine Cave. Something very disturbing happens. First, Saki, when discovered, is in a life-threatening position where she would have been eaten. Instead of fighting, instead of being somewhere safe, she is standing in the middle of a small island deliberately ASKING a pack of flesh-hungry and bloodthirsty Sharpedo to give her all their fury. With arms spread, eyes closed, back turned. Her words are funny. But the way the characters and the Interceptor are forced to interact, this situation was life-threatening and NOT funny. Saki's words could be taken for flippant enjoyment. Maybe her team would have come out and slaughtered them. Or maybe, maybe we are not to look to Saki's words. Maybe her words are meaningless for a reason. Maybe she wants us not heed easily spewed sentences, but to pay attention to her actions. Perhaps that behavior in Aquamarine was a chance she saw coming. Consider this: If Saki is really friends with everyone, and has been with them through so much, yet knows her Destiny, perhaps she does not WANT it. Perhaps, once she was free from her friends' protective eyes, she fled. Blacksteeple was behind her. A horrid point where maybe she knew what she should do, but did not yet want. She has a duty, a destiny. But that purpose flies in the face of all her happiness, friendship, and maybe her conscience. And she saw a place to end it. In the depths of Aquamarine cave. Let me ask you another question:
12. SEC will always answer, Feng.
13. I wasn't talking to you. Shut. UP.
14. *Sadness*
15. Where was Saki, in Aquamarine? In the Garufan chambers. Where, presumably, Kyogre itself rose to greet her. How? Why? Wasn't it sealed up beneath Valor? Can it come and go freely without sacrifices on the alter? The stone steele there states something about unsealing the beast and capital punishment falling on those who release Kyogre. how in the world did it get to Aquamarine? I guess it really can move freely. But still, why was she there, specifically? Couldn't she just ask a Kingler to do her in? If suicide was her true goal? Maybe. It would be not worth mentioning, honestly. But for one BIG, Mysterious Twist (TM)
16. Freya. Freya saves Saki from the Kyogre. A now prevalent and tempral-critical character, who is there even aaaaallllll the way back there with Team Xen, the Blakeories and herself, Freya the interpol officer, is the one whom saves Saki from the Whale. Not to mention reveals herself first to her, before all others. Now, that would mean nothing. Normally. BUT. But, but, but! She says to Saki, "My name is Freya, you WILL remember that name!"
17. O __ O
18. Yes. The mysterious figure who has shown to be tight-lipped and at least antagonistic to us, was nothing but helpful to her and even goes so far as to offer her name and demand its remembrance. Saki KNEW the name. She did not forget. But she brushed it off to the others, while also making her story sound like crap. When it was in fact not so.
19. Then we have Saki's general behavior after that point. Val sums it up. She is unreliable of late. Does that mean she is usually at least a little more competent? Even if just a little? Why? Why behave as she is now as opposed to later? She does nothing useful until provoked.
20. Angie's letter. This should have provoked Saki. But instead she says something that, in light of time travel prevalence in the story, is rather scary: "Oh, I've seen that one already", or something to the effect. If she is Madame X and knows the truth, perhaps she realizes Angie's little stint won't last and so shows no concern. Of greater importance is what comes afterword.
21. Now, Saki does help with her... contraption. What would it have accomplished? It probably would have worked. But then again, she still fails. It makes one wonder. Where did she go after that? The existence of her mountain climber shows she is interested in helping, at last, though maybe her ultimate plan was to just throw everyone off it before it was all done. Then again, there is the possibility she is conflicted, to the point of attempted suicide by sharpedo gang. Maybe the contraption was her attempt to do what she really wants to, but feels she can't. Or shouldn't.
22. After Terajuma, Saki's whereabouts become unknown. Adam and Valerie are displayed in their respective places and Adam has returned to his proper place in the story with development. Val has not, but she is still at least shown. Saki is gone. She is missing. Yet her grandmother does not appear worried at all! And her half-brother is downright hostile, despite being almost as helpful as she has been the ENTIRE game, in just his short time interacting.

 

4. It's All in the Family

I gotta type this fast. It's late and my computer is dying.

It's WHAT Slick? No, no no! SEC DOESN"T WANNA GO BY POWERFAILURE! SAY NO TO STARVATION!

Not you, SEC, the computer I'm typing on.

O-oh. I get it. I thought that was us looking into a mirror!

No it wasn't.

I'm still getting used to this meatsuit thing.

If only you would DIE! Then I could concentrate and not look like a schizophrenic lunatic!

And lose all attempts at humor that give your theory any worthwhile reading potential? Hmmm? Well, Slick?

 

I will move on now.

 

The Blakeories are suspicious. They are one of the three major branches of the ancient Garufan to survive, aside from the Altairs and Theolias. Apparently Hazuki has a vast fortune and she is one of the Guardians. One has to wonder if maybe she is something else, another family. Or the last thereof. Either way it is all the same. The Blakeories are DIRECTLY tied to all this. The Altairs were failing and it seems like they had all but lost their magic besides the grandmother. Even Narcissa is not actively aware of anything important. Despite that Indriad sought her out to marry her, and even built a lab under Whispy Tower specifically to do nasty telecommunications research and broadcasting (And Search for Girantina of all things).

 

But overall the Theolias have shown a stellar retention of Garufan magic. One must wonder whether the Blakeories did as well. Hazuki is again, like anything Blakeory related, kept out of the limelight. We know only she is a swordswoman. Nothing more, save that she seems more wise and in control during Birth of One, Death of Another. And all together unconcerned about her granddaughter... though her time with the Interceptor is brief and under an emergency situation, of course, of course.

 

Maybe that connexion between Team Xen and the Blakeories is of real importance. Is of true substance. Erin is a smart conspiracy researcher. Got the makings of a real, true journalist and truth-seeker. She probably has caught on to something really important. You notice she has no high view of Saki. But that means they have interacted. Meaning maybe our girl of the hour has actually been to the library more than often enough to prove she is interested in a few research projects too.

 

We know Grand Dream City is run by a Team Xen admin. We know the Blakeories built GDC and turned it into a place built in their image. There is Rift Matter of great size and power emanating underneath the city. There are buildings all over the Judicial District that have no official or disclosed purpose, but that Cassandra ordered their construction. The Blakeories are not stupid cookies. They surely know about all this, or SHOULD.

 

Their knowledge is too deep. Their history and lore too vast and specifically oriented to the events we are entangled in as Interceptor. There is no way they don't know. And if they do know, that means Saki ought to know, as heir of the fortune.

 

5. Amethyst Cave Mineworks

We know Keith Blakeory (Keith is Thomas Blakeory's son, isn't he? Looks like it) wanted to expand into Sheriden. That did not happen. But we know Amethyst Cave one day SUDDENLY has hyper-advanced equippment all over and the production station for Madame X herself. Or her armor rather, which is generated from a Timeshift Stone, of all things! What in the hell? That part still makes no sense. It still has no meaning behind it I can grasp. but someone had to have vast resources and knowledge of time-space travel and Garufan powers to pull that off, or they ought to. The Crystals in the cave all are arranged in an X formation, for Team Xen, obviously. There is waaay too much going on. There is also Amethyst Grotto. . .

 

Two major sites One cave. Perhaps the evidence of two separate choices, two paths to two different futures, one of Light, and one of Darkness. 

 

With all the speed and money required for the Madame X armor factory, I'd assume the Blakeories are prime candidates for at least financing the project.

 

6. Deals with the Devil

Thomas Blakeory made a deal with Indriad to kill Mr. Blakeory. They know each other and may be of the same or similar age. It may be Mr. Blakeory didn't have Garufan power or didn't bother to dabble for whatever reason. But Thomas surely knows enough to get into contact with his father's enemy and make a deal of mutual benefit. Thomas is a vicious snake. He is evil. We must assume he loves Saki, for the moment, and hope of decency. But if he is willing to murder his father, what is he willing to do with his granddaughter? Put her inside a time-resistant suit? Maybe?

7. REJUVENATION CO.

Most important of all, the (insert french phrase of choice), is that Rejuvenation Co. was working for Mr. Blakeory. Or at least, Katsu was working in her home with some people about some kind of power source, if I am not misremembering this. There's the mysterious house belonging to who knows who, mentioning that "That Old Fool is building the end of the world", or something along those lines. I can't exactly quote it, but it's alarming and chilling. Maybe, just maybe, it was not Indriad's Gift that resulted into "Storm 9" after all, but something else. Perhaps it was. Only time will tell.

 

What is of importance is that the Blakeories had ties to Rejuvenation Co. And Rejuvenation Co. is now Team Xen Headquarters itself! Fully restored and expanded beyond what it was, in all likelihood, given what we see, despite being so near a giant volcano, Zone Zero, and that terrible abyssal labyrinth... Is it... possible, that maybe Team Xen are not so villainous in their ultimate goals, as we assume? Or maybe the are. Maybe they are the dark side of the Blakeories. Their way of stopping Indriad, by ruling everything with the fist and the sword. A more bitter, bleak, driven (and Husbando poisoned) Hazuki might well approve of such work. Especially with monstrosities abounding, like the Theolias, and who knows what else. Bladestar for instance. (Whoever believes Bladestar is finished hasn't recalled the beginning of the game. The Dreamyard is apparently a later stage operation than even the pyramid, it's still off limits, Flora clearly meant to do something there, and I for one believe she will do so. her death sentence is not yet completed... and we know not what at the last she might do. Or even Florin, or Jykell. That Musharna wants its pulse massage back.)

Mu!

 

Shar!

 

NA!

 

Anyway, it begs the question: what does Blakeory hope to gain?

 

We know they gained a lot from the loss of the Miera region. They retained great power. And the Calamity gave them almost total rule over Aevium. Now that is very, very telling. If Thomas, at least, could stop Storm 9, he would not now. It gave him EVERYTHING. GDC, West and East Gearen, and who knows what else. His wealth and power is vast. And one day it will all belong to Saki Blakeory.

 

8. He Stalks Them

 

Another interesting point. It appears, in secret, at least, that Madame X (or possibly Nastasia) conspires to stop "him" from doing what he wants. "Yveltal is his way back, if all else fails." -says the diary. Indriad HATED the Blakeories, father and son, and wanted to kill Thomas. He may even have found Thomas' desire to murder his father revolting. If Team Xen is financed or even IS the other side of the Blakeory household, trying perhaps through the Dark Prophetic Path, to stop his end goal of destroying the world, then who else better to concentrate on than them? Indriad would have reason to watch, and to attack them wherever he can. If for no other reason than spite.

 

Team Xen's behavior is odd. Their goals remain unknown. They AREN'T trying to destroy the world. Melia just stubbornly and bone-headedly believes that. Madame X is genuinely enraged by what she sees in the alternate future. This alone proves her goals aren't total annihilation, but perhaps domination. How better to protect the world than hold in her steel fist from those that would crush it? Saki has shown a murderous tendency to take extreme measures with things (the sharpedo, and most importantly Amber, who she intended to murder before her own mother). Perhaps conquest of Pokearth is not beyond her. It is certainly not beyond Madame X. And she holds enough in her power to try, eventually.

 

9. Children of Nymiera

Where is Saki's mother? Madame X tells Melia her mother was a weak woman who died to save her. And that her death WILL mean something, by implying Nany Doll's was not worth it for the Interceptor. I can't recall if at this point Madame X understands the player character is the Interceptor (My opinion is they are the last in line, besides Crescent, and the rest are slain in previous "Attempts" to correct everything, for good or bad).

 

Since we don't know where Saki's mother is, and how she and her husband, the middle Blakeory (I'm assuming to be Keith from Where Love Lies), or what happened to them, we can perhaps infer that maybe they are no longer around. Saki lives alone. There is apparently distance between her and Thomas the Second. There is apparently affection between her and her Grandparents, but no direct interaction is yet seen between her and Hazuki. We don't know much about her personal life with her family. The relationships.

 

Maybe all of her flippancy and carelessness hides a sad life and an even more tragic fate. Saki Blakeory may have everything money can buy, but that won't bring back those she lost, apparently. One would wonder if the time-shift stones could do it, but the circumstances may not be that simple. Or perhaps she is unable. Either way, Madame X claims her mother is dead. We will take her word for it now, even as we wait to discover the fate of Saki's (It just occurred that maybe Keith marries into the family by wedding Saki's mother, but that makes no sense given how he is just a dark haired version of Thomas the Second.)

 

And last but not least, in the battle atop the pyramid, Madame X's mask... cracks. We see it for a glimpse. I don't recall now, after writing all this, if the eye was black or red, but Saki's eyes are capable of both.

 

Which means she must be Obito! Case closed.

 

Go away SEC.

 

There is also the potential that some black hair is shown in the brief exposure.

 

How Indecent!

 

It could possibly be one of the Theolias after or before Archetype exposure or extraction (despite that Extracted subjects die, if I recall). It could be Saki, who has black hair... or a future version of her, perhaps.

 

We also note that without the Suit in good condition, Madame X seems to be rather shook and weakened. She is forced to retreat immediately. She also covers her face. Is this to avoid Deletion for some reason? Is she operating from beyond the time she appears? Past? Future? Or is it to avoid us recognizing her? I recall a rumor somewhere on the forum, please if someone can let me know for closure's sake, that we have ALREADY BEEN GIVEN A HINT AS TO SAKI'S NEW APPEARANCE. What could that be?

 

Maybe the future in which Saki takes the mantle and the sword... is soon. Or even now.

 

_______________________________

 

Questions left unanswered:

 

Too many to count. Please point them out for me. Please. PLEASE! SEC's are too much to endure!

 

But one in particular bothers me: Yveltal.

 

Yveltal is the key. Yveltal is the answer. It was with Indriad when he went to 4 Island to murder Kenneth's mother. (I assume it was him until further notice). And it is obviously connected to Blacksteeple, if nothing else, Melanie. And of course it is connected to Madame X. It is connected to the very heart of this web of confusion Jan has produced for us. It truly is the key. The one who correctly extrapolates as to Yveltal's role and place in all this, unlocks the truth, surely.

 

 

[Between Life and Death]

Alternatively, maybe Madame X is a brainwashed Saki? Maybe Freya and Isha did their work on her, and told her that she was the daughter of Freya and Kieran. We saw her on the pyramid just after she was brainwashed, but then she was taken to the Miera region in the past. Freya then somehow died in the nuclear explosion, but Madame X lived on. Or something like that. After all, Saki's final tweet was signed with an X.

[iiiiitamar]

10 hours ago, Feng Lei said:

My theory:

 

Saki Blakeory, or perhaps her mother, is Madame X.

My theory is similar to this one: what if hazuki is madame x, she has a sword, she fights indriad, we don't know who are her parents, if they are still alive and, if your theory about saki is correct, she is related to saki.

[Between Life and Death]

20 minutes ago, iiiiitamar said:

My theory is similar to this one: what if hazuki is madame x, she has a sword, she fights indriad, we don't know who are her parents, if they are still alive and, if your theory about saki is correct, she is related to saki.

We saw Hazuki in the present though.

[iiiiitamar]

4 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

We saw Hazuki in the present though.

Yes, but that doesn't mean she can't be madame x.

[Aphelli]

So, that was quite the read.

I suppose it all boils down to this: is Saki being, well, Saki, more likely than her being an evil mastermind? 
 

There is another piece of evidence against Saki being just  over the top – that kind of stuff was rather removed from the game (Melia’s early “handling” of a Xen grunt). 
 

Some of it sounds dubious – I am not sure why Saki would jump to utter ridiculousness to try and attack us at the Chrysola Hotel. I mean, she must know such mundane means wouldn’t kill anyone – least of all us, and instead would give away her game. 
 

But a lot of the rest makes disturbingly much sense. Although it could as well be that the Saki we saw is a Xen-controlled robot masquerading as the actual Saki, and failing by being “too anime”. 

 

(or perhaps she saw the game’s full plot and lore the real relationship between the Blakeories and Team Xen and Went Mad From The Revelation). 
 

Trouble is, you’d expect Braixen to comment on something that amiss... 

 

Also, is there any canonical evidence for Isha to successfully and reliably alter memories? He experimented on Braixen but as far as we know its memory wasn’t modified... 

 

Spoiler

Freya is the one altering memories, see the BW Pokedex for Beeheyem (or WLL). It’s much more sensible that she did that to Val and Adam.
 

Also, there’s Ryland to worry about. They altered his memory so that he wouldn’t remember his brother Adam... I wonder why that is.
 

Perhaps it was needed to get both brothers atop the Pyramid and for Adam to recover his memory — except that they could probably undo their own trick? 

 

Edited June 28, 2020 by Mindlack

[Between Life and Death]

I guess we've only seen Isha wipe people's memories. But I'm sure he and Freya's Beheeyem, if they worked closely together enough, could start completely changing people's memories.

[Aphelli]

9 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

I guess we've only seen Isha wipe people's memories.

I don’t recall which scene this is? Can you recall me? 
 

9 hours ago, Between Life and Death said:

But I'm sure he and Freya's Beheeyem, if they worked closely together enough, could start completely changing people's memories.

Again, I don’t think Freya needs Isha. She didn’t need anyone to 

Spoiler

destroy Kenneth.