Theory Crafting Thread

[Green Bean 501]

3 hours ago, pizzagod13 said:

As for the tournament interference thing, I guess maybe, how would you even get in without a ticket, I guess you could force your way in, but stopping bombs from being detonated remotely seems beyond your powers, especially since you don't even know where Flora is (unless you joined bladestar). I am guessing it was the puppet master who forced you to go to the tournament then, since they were the one who gave Melia and Erin the tickets? 

Apparently there was some sort of interview conducted with the participants to make sure they weren't being impersonated. And that seriously makes me question how Cosmia and Cosmo were able to act like 5 or 6 different people without raising any suspicions

[pizzagod13]

1 hour ago, Green Bean 501 said:

Apparently there was some sort of interview conducted with the participants to make sure they weren't being impersonated. And that seriously makes me question how Cosmia and Cosmo were able to act like 5 or 6 different people without raising any suspicions

The interviewers don't know any of the main cast, so it wouldn't be THAT hard. Also, Risa Rider in Zone Zero says that Venam and Aelita showed up at the tournament, but Venam did not act like herself. So they clearly did not try that hard to impersonate any of you... 

[Sir_Gallade]

Good evening, 

 

I don't know if it's been mentioned before but let's focus on the prophecies, specifically the dark one.

 

It's said that the 4 darknesses are, one who embodies greed, one who embodies pure evil, one who embodies obsession and one who embodies betrayal. 

I'm practically sure that:

- The one of pure evil is Cassandra

- The one of greed is Mr Blakeory 

- The one of obsession is Dr Isha (he's so obsessed with his success rate, he's ready to do everything, even illegal stuff, to maintain it.) 

As of the one of betrayal, we thought it was Ren, but it could be Reina, or none of them, I'm really not sure about these two. 

Blakeory and Isha are both partners of Cassandra. Does that mean the one of betrayal has also a connection with team Xen? If yes, that means it could be Ren? Not sure about that. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we'll have more interactions with Mr Blakeory and Dr Isha, I really don't think it's the last time we've heard of them. They're both in prison, but nothing says they won't be able to escape

[Green Bean 501]

33 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

Good evening, 

 

I don't know if it's been mentioned before but let's focus on the prophecies, specifically the dark one.

 

It's said that the 4 darknesses are, one who embodies greed, one who embodies pure evil, one who embodies obsession and one who embodies betrayal. 

I'm practically sure that:

- The one of pure evil is Cassandra

- The one of greed is Mr Blakeory 

- The one of obsession is Dr Isha (he's so obsessed with his success rate, he's ready to do everything, even illegal stuff, to maintain it.) 

As of the one of betrayal, we thought it was Ren, but it could be Reina, or none of them, I'm really not sure about these two. 

Blakeory and Isha are both partners of Cassandra. Does that mean the one of betrayal has also a connection with team Xen? If yes, that means it could be Ren? Not sure about that. Anyway, I'm pretty sure we'll have more interactions with Mr Blakeory and Dr Isha, I really don't think it's the last time we've heard of them. They're both in prison, but nothing says they won't be able to escape

Betrayal could be Madame X, since a lot of people speculate that she's Melia

[Sir_Gallade]

1 hour ago, Green Bean 501 said:

Betrayal could be Madame X, since a lot of people speculate that she's Melia

It's impossible since the prophecy says that the four darknesses are all born of man, which isn't Melia's case as she and Erin, Allen and Alice don't have biological parents. The four lights are not born of man. Plus, the fortune teller under GDC says that the MC along with 3 people will eventually fight a female, and one of those 3 people is someone whose soul is as golden as Arceus' light, most certainly Melia since she's a part of the Archetype. 

 

As of Madame X, well, if she's Melia, then she isn't born of man too, therefore can't be a darkness.. Which is weird since she's (apparently) a villain

Edited April 8, 2022 by Sir_Gallade

[Cyphre]

There were quite a lot of discussions over time, im gonna introduce a topic i started back then with a sum of the info we had and other people speculating. 
 

 

[SoulN7]

12 hours ago, Sir_Gallade said:

It's impossible since the prophecy says that the four darknesses are all born of man, which isn't Melia's case as she and Erin, Allen and Alice don't have biological parents. The four lights are not born of man. Plus, the fortune teller under GDC says that the MC along with 3 people will eventually fight a female, and one of those 3 people is someone whose soul is as golden as Arceus' light, most certainly Melia since she's a part of the Archetype. 

 

As of Madame X, well, if she's Melia, then she isn't born of man too, therefore can't be a darkness.. Which is weird since she's (apparently) a villain

Strangely enough, with GDC's fortuneteller, we might know 3 of these lights:

The strongest one, which I think it's Interceptor, so us, after all his powers are still unknown, due to the low informations about Adrest, the "second half of the original deity who died not long after his survival to the meteorite" and the Interceptor's "true form" I guess.

The one with a golden soul could be easily Melia or even Erin, Allen and Alice, but I highly doubt that.

The one with the desire of leading others is Aelita.

The last one is someone who lost its lost one, but still unknown.

 

About the lights not born from man, the first 3 currently match the criteria:

The MC was dead long ago, but taken back to life thanks to Crescent's magic, plus Adrest's soul with him and MC's true soul that was "taken from another world", sure the dude/gal had gone through a lot to be alive.

Maria, Allen, Erin and Alice were all taken to life thanks to Archetype's powers, so they are not completely born from man. Plus, Melia's origins are still unknown.

Aelita is only Vivian and Taelia's reircanation due to Vivian's Curse, so there is anything related to man in her birth.

 

The last soul is problematic: Ren, Reina, Amber and Venam are surely not, due to all being born from man, after all. Huey is still unknown how he was born, but I highly doubt he has powers or something.

By most chances, Crescent could fill very well these criterias, despite her actitude and her unknown origins. But she had lost her loved one, NPC MC and the others, after all: they were all merged into one, with our choosen MC the only one conscious.

 

Nim is another choice, but...she's literally Storm-9 and, despite her being Nymiera's reircarnation, there is something suspicious in her powers. I don't know, honestly.

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

huey could have powers i suspect

i have a feeling rune giving him powers in the dream world isnt JUST because of bias

its prob foreshadowing huey can do some wacky shit since hes lord xenadins reincarnation(theory)

[SoulN7]

57 minutes ago, Mei-o_Scarlett said:

huey could have powers i suspect

i have a feeling rune giving him powers in the dream world isnt JUST because of bias

its prob foreshadowing huey can do some wacky shit since hes lord xenadins reincarnation(theory)

Mmm...it makes sense.

[Sir_Gallade]

Hi guys, I have some other theories about Vitus and team Xen. We know that vitus takes Ralts from the Miera region. That means he's been there at some point, probably living there too, maybe? We also know that wherever this dude is, something bad happens. 

 

Now I actually have a VERY far fetched theory. Could Vitus be that Lord Xenadin, leader of the original Team Xen? Yeah, Xenadin died in that accident at the Miera power plant, but what if he didn't? After all, Sirius/Vitus is supposed to have died in the wispy tower fire, but Erin is positive he's alive and out there, somewhere. So it seems easy for him to fake his death, and if he did it at the wispy tower, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it before with the Miera incident. 

 

Now, about Madame X. Some theories say that she could be a (corrupted) version of Maria or Erin. This actually would make sense if my previous theory of Xenadin is true. When we beat her at Blacksteeple Castle, she says "father, I have lost". If Madame X is the daughter of Xenadin, it can only make sense that those two persons are respectively Maria/Erin and Vitus. Of course I can be completely wrong. 

 

Also, as Melia, when you're in the Blakeory library with Erin, you learn that team Xen and the Blakeory have some sort of connection, and that the Miera power plant was owned by the Blakeory. We know that there was a rivalry between the Theolia and the Blakeory, and that the power plant had that meltdown because of a team Xen raid. Now, who would benefit from destroying a Blakeory property?

 

I also noticed something with team Xen grunts. Apparently Madame X can erase them, make them disappear. This actually reminds me of the Servants that are garufan spells. They can be deleted when they fail their mission, which is also the case for Xen grunts who fail their mission remember that grunt who was living in the garufan ruins under Carotos? As soon as he stepped outside, he felt like he was about to be deleted, saying that it must be the protective spell of the ruins that protected him. And I think that Madame X would just erase anyone who tries to get in her way if she really wants to succeed, but it seems she can only do that to the grunts... I'm really suspecting that team Xen and the Garufas have some sort of connection, for now we can just wait for the updates to answer our questions. 

[SoulN7]

3 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

Now I actually have a VERY far fetched theory. Could Vitus be that Lord Xenadin, leader of the original Team Xen? Yeah, Xenadin died in that accident at the Miera power plant, but what if he didn't? After all, Sirius/Vitus is supposed to have died in the wispy tower fire, but Erin is positive he's alive and out there, somewhere. So it seems easy for him to fake his death, and if he did it at the wispy tower, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it before with the Miera incident.

Actually, it seems like that there's more chances that Huey is Lord Xenadin's reircarnation after his death there, so despite what you said makes sense, I think Vitus was not there at the accident.

OR. He made the same thing with Young Mr Blakeory and "corrupted" Lord Xenadin to do the attack.

7 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

Now, about Madame X. Some theories say that she could be a (corrupted) version of Maria or Erin. This actually would make sense if my previous theory of Xenadin is true. When we beat her at Blacksteeple Castle, she says "father, I have lost". If Madame X is the daughter of Xenadin, it can only make sense that those two persons are respectively Maria/Erin and Vitus. Of course I can be completely wrong.

If Sakibot's quest was completed and she beated Amanda, she will appear at Eclypsia Pyramid and attack Madame X, cracking the helmet, showing part of her face: red eyes and black hair.

We know that Anathea, originally, had black hair too, maybe she lost her "power", I don't know.

Luckily enough, the dev team made Yveltal's battle 100% possible in all of the modes, since Decimation cannot one-shot anymore and it's its only move (Bronzong, Froslass, it's your turn to beat the bird), so we can see the lose dialogue.

"Father, I have lost", makes sense to be much more Maria for me, since Melanie mentioned Father and (pay attention to this) Madame X even knew what would happen if someone got too physical contact with her. The only one I know Vitus can manipulate easily is Maria, thanks to prologue and Marianette's events, with her forgetting everything happened before.

20 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

I also noticed something with team Xen grunts. Apparently Madame X can erase them, make them disappear. This actually reminds me of the Servants that are garufan spells. They can be deleted when they fail their mission, which is also the case for Xen grunts who fail their mission remember that grunt who was living in the garufan ruins under Carotos? As soon as he stepped outside, he felt like he was about to be deleted, saying that it must be the protective spell of the ruins that protected him. And I think that Madame X would just erase anyone who tries to get in her way if she really wants to succeed, but it seems she can only do that to the grunts... I'm really suspecting that team Xen and the Garufas have some sort of connection, for now we can just wait for the updates to answer our questions. 

Gardevoir knew about Garufan spells, so, if she knew, Vitus probably did.

And, if Madame X has something with Vitus (Yveltal with Soul Stone...mmmmh...), she probably knew them too. Makes sense for Ren, Madelis, Eli and Sharon not quit, even if they wanted to do it, plus the Deathwing knew that too.

 

[Cyphre]

33 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

Now I actually have a VERY far fetched theory. Could Vitus be that Lord Xenadin, leader of the original Team Xen? Yeah, Xenadin died in that accident at the Miera power plant, but what if he didn't? After all, Sirius/Vitus is supposed to have died in the wispy tower fire, but Erin is positive he's alive and out there, somewhere. So it seems easy for him to fake his death, and if he did it at the wispy tower, I wouldn't be surprised if he did it before with the Miera incident. 

The only 2 confirmed recovered bodies in Miera belonged to Freya, which was later confirmed to be Rune, and Lord Xenadin. There are only 2 ways this info can be applied, i.e. it is false or not, however in both cases Freya and Huey were found together in Voidal Chasm. This makes it extremely likely that Huey IS Lord Xenadin that lost his memory or had his body degraded by Voidal Chasm, since time works differently in it and also degrade minds. There is very little doubt of that. 

 

39 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

I also noticed something with team Xen grunts. Apparently Madame X can erase them, make them disappear.

There is no reason to assume Madame X does that. Team Xen members either have this "mark of death" on them for normal grunts, or this semi-biological regenerating suit for Deathwings, which most likely have automated "delete" responses to certain conditions. My personal theory somewhere on this forum was that team Xen is literally what it sounds like - alien to this particular world and/or timeline and have to use suits and marks to be tied to this reality. If they are sufficiently damaged they get erased from this existense since this is not a place for them. 

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

lol remember when almost everyone thought kierean was lord xenadin cause we all thought clear was freya

kek

 

[Sir_Gallade]

I thought about something 

 

Do you think GDC's anniversary, and Melia's birthday happening at practically the same time, could be more than a coincidence?

[Cyphre]

34 minutes ago, Sir_Gallade said:

Do you think GDC's anniversary, and Melia's birthday happening at practically the same time, could be more than a coincidence?

No. 

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

nothing in reju is a concidence but yea

an mc's birthday being the same day as a plot related event is a common coming of age story trope

[SoulN7]

14 hours ago, Sir_Gallade said:

I thought about something 

 

Do you think GDC's anniversary, and Melia's birthday happening at practically the same time, could be more than a coincidence?

Nope, everything in Rejuv is not a coincidence, maybe we'll know what that means in 13.5

[Pain]

I want to know that who are the four lights. I know that one of them is our character, one is aelita and one is melia. I do not know who is the last one. So, if anyone can help me out i would be really greatful.

[Rejuv007]

40 minutes ago, Pain said:

I want to know that who are the four lights. I know that one of them is our character, one is aelita and one is melia. I do not know who is the last one. So, if anyone can help me out i would be really greatful.

 

I'm pretty sure the four lights are Erin, Melia, Alice and Allen.

Edited April 25, 2022 by Rejuv007

[Cyphre]

2 hours ago, Pain said:

I want to know that who are the four lights. I know that one of them is our character, one is aelita and one is melia. I do not know who is the last one. So, if anyone can help me out i would be really greatful.

I gave a link to the topic with most information we got on page 33 in here, you can check it out. 

[SoulN7]

6 hours ago, Pain said:

I want to know that who are the four lights. I know that one of them is our character, one is aelita and one is melia. I do not know who is the last one. So, if anyone can help me out i would be really greatful.

There are theories in this topic, in the Spoiler Discussion and more, one of the biggest mysteries.

[Mei-o_Scarlett]

Inb4 we pull an fgo Jan gets inspiration and changes the story and just forgets about this but doenst bother to change this dialogue so we end up just never knowing

 

 

[KingInfernal]

On 4/9/2022 at 1:48 PM, NerfCaulifla said:

Adrest, the "second half of the original deity who died not long after his survival to the meteorite"

*Third half.

In order we have:

1. The Meteorite that killed the Deity. Implied to be the one from Reborn.
2. The Archetype.
3. Adrest.

Adrest is the third, and originally(before to be connected with the core) the weakest one 

Edited June 17, 2022 by KingInfernal

[_v.sri4]

(Before I start, Arceus is the topmost being in the universe and his direct underlings are Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. However, Arceus being split and weakened combined with Giratina out of control would mean Dialga and Palkia get to be the top dogs right? Keep that in mind ;)

 

Firstly, I'm just gonna say I'm pretty sure Madame X is Erin from a different dimension/timeline as they say the exact same phrase in the prologue and the diamond route respectively. I know that Madame X's mask breaks and reveals dark hair but this is the key part of the reason I think Madame X has come from a timeline where Vitus manages to control and use the Archetype, thus diminishing the power of it within the individual children which causes it to leave alternate Erin/Madame X's body in the process. 

 

I also think Maria could be the original child while Marianette is 1 part of 4 new "children". I read a bit into the suffix -ette and it is generally hypocoristic, which is said to mean endearing, as a pet name, diminutive and/or euphemistic. I think this is evidence for the split because endearing and pet name suggest that Marianette is Indriad's favourite child, explaining why she is the only one not attempted to be locked in the Unown Dimension. Diminutive suggests that she is a smaller version of the original girl, while euphemism could be a reference to the brutal split of Maria causing the new girl to be a shadow of her original self. Basically, the whole point of that was to say that I don't think Melia is Maria but she is more likely to be Marianette, which is why she says she doesn't feel like Maria.

 

Now onto the main theory and to put it bluntly, Spacea and Tiempa are the big baddies who want to stay in control after Arceus got sniped by the meteor. Yeah they're not heavily involved in the plot at first glance but what if I told you they were running a second, more "effective" group of Stormchasers to properly carry out their goals? Enter: Clear, Kieran and Eden. These robots are the ones doing the dirty work by attacking those that are potentially on Arceus' side (Celine's "army" due to their link with Nymiera as well as weakening the league in general and the main group of friends because of the Archetype and Adrest). Remember when it is suggested that Crescent might have become a rogue stormchaser because she might have found out something she wasn't supposed to know? Yeah, it was this. Why else do you think she attacked the former robo trio and managed to terminate Eden (revealed in ep15) wayyy before all of the main crew realise Clear and Kieran are evil? Crescent is an interceptor as well as us which means that her actions are actively changing fate; this could explain why it could be tricky for S and T to eliminate Crescent themselves.

 

After making the big claim of S and T being the real villains I should probably reveal what I think is their ultimate motive: to eliminate any source of Arceus and catch that particular state of the world in a reset. They are doing this already by driving the group and Team Xen but more specifically Madame X against each other, who I suspect has conflicting goals with these robots despite working with them at Eclysia (can be explained by X wanting Melia alive whereas the robots don't care as she has to be eliminated anyways).

 

This is getting a bit long (sorry!) so I'll wrap up with a few predictions of mine:

 

Nim is a corrupted Nymiera that is also Storm-9 caused by Indriad below Hiyoshi where I heavily suspect the protectors lost as Anju is captured and Hazuki escapes like a coward with Thomas Blakeory.

The mysterious killer that Clear says she has no affiliation with (all of this is in WLL) is either Cassandra or Madame X (Yveltal killed Nora but a Bisharp kills Taelia which is one of C's mons as well as Narcissa saying there was a woman in black and hair and clothes on top of the burning building)

And finally, V14 will mark a dramatic loss for us. The Xenpurgis could be released if we fail the raid (bad ending), or the raid is successful but turns out to mean nothing.

 

[Leenu]

2 hours ago, _v.sri4 said:

(Before I start, Arceus is the topmost being in the universe and his direct underlings are Dialga, Palkia and Giratina. However, Arceus being split and weakened combined with Giratina out of control would mean Dialga and Palkia get to be the top dogs right? Keep that in mind ;)

 

Firstly, I'm just gonna say I'm pretty sure Madame X is Erin from a different dimension/timeline as they say the exact same phrase in the prologue and the diamond route respectively. I know that Madame X's mask breaks and reveals dark hair but this is the key part of the reason I think Madame X has come from a timeline where Vitus manages to control and use the Archetype, thus diminishing the power of it within the individual children which causes it to leave alternate Erin/Madame X's body in the process. 

 

I also think Maria could be the original child while Marianette is 1 part of 4 new "children". I read a bit into the suffix -ette and it is generally hypocoristic, which is said to mean endearing, as a pet name, diminutive and/or euphemistic. I think this is evidence for the split because endearing and pet name suggest that Marianette is Indriad's favourite child, explaining why she is the only one not attempted to be locked in the Unown Dimension. Diminutive suggests that she is a smaller version of the original girl, while euphemism could be a reference to the brutal split of Maria causing the new girl to be a shadow of her original self. Basically, the whole point of that was to say that I don't think Melia is Maria but she is more likely to be Marianette, which is why she says she doesn't feel like Maria.

 

Now onto the main theory and to put it bluntly, Spacea and Tiempa are the big baddies who want to stay in control after Arceus got sniped by the meteor. Yeah they're not heavily involved in the plot at first glance but what if I told you they were running a second, more "effective" group of Stormchasers to properly carry out their goals? Enter: Clear, Kieran and Eden. These robots are the ones doing the dirty work by attacking those that are potentially on Arceus' side (Celine's "army" due to their link with Nymiera as well as weakening the league in general and the main group of friends because of the Archetype and Adrest). Remember when it is suggested that Crescent might have become a rogue stormchaser because she might have found out something she wasn't supposed to know? Yeah, it was this. Why else do you think she attacked the former robo trio and managed to terminate Eden (revealed in ep15) wayyy before all of the main crew realise Clear and Kieran are evil? Crescent is an interceptor as well as us which means that her actions are actively changing fate; this could explain why it could be tricky for S and T to eliminate Crescent themselves.

 

After making the big claim of S and T being the real villains I should probably reveal what I think is their ultimate motive: to eliminate any source of Arceus and catch that particular state of the world in a reset. They are doing this already by driving the group and Team Xen but more specifically Madame X against each other, who I suspect has conflicting goals with these robots despite working with them at Eclysia (can be explained by X wanting Melia alive whereas the robots don't care as she has to be eliminated anyways).

 

This is getting a bit long (sorry!) so I'll wrap up with a few predictions of mine:

 

Nim is a corrupted Nymiera that is also Storm-9 caused by Indriad below Hiyoshi where I heavily suspect the protectors lost as Anju is captured and Hazuki escapes like a coward with Thomas Blakeory.

The mysterious killer that Clear says she has no affiliation with (all of this is in WLL) is either Cassandra or Madame X (Yveltal killed Nora but a Bisharp kills Taelia which is one of C's mons as well as Narcissa saying there was a woman in black and hair and clothes on top of the burning building)

And finally, V14 will mark a dramatic loss for us. The Xenpurgis could be released if we fail the raid (bad ending), or the raid is successful but turns out to mean nothing.

 

If what you say regarding stormchasers is true, then could it be said that Variya and the Garufa are/were working for Arceus? 

 

And what you say about the children is something I slightly disagree with. While it may be possible that Maria/Marianette was Vitus's favorite child, no one was 'split' as all four of the kids were simultaneously wished into existence.