Theory Crafting Thread

[Edo]

17 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Ups, it seems i have forgotten some things from WLL and regarding the team Xen banners: wouldn't that mean that Indriad was Xenadin or there is at least a big connection between them? (Phew, home many possible identities has this guy 0.0) Since the present Team Xen didn't exist at that time, if I recall that correctly. 

 

Hopefully we will learn more of the Miera Region and/or Xenadin&Freya in the next update, it would definitly bring some light to this puzzle (and another hundred questions )

Yes Indriad being Xenadin is what I think as well, at least if Madame X truly is Maria or Melia.

And I'm really interested in the connection between Maria and Marianette, and also with Melia if there is one. This seems to be the biggest piece of the puzzle we are still missing, since a connection was implied right at the beginning, yet we still don't have an answer.

[Magus543]

I'm going to assume that Sirius getting caught in the fire was not part of his plan, the journals in the radio state he was plotting to use the media to experiment with mind control or whatever, and he had Giratina in the basement. I'm inclined to believe the killer had no relation to Indriad, and accidentally got in the way of his plans. 

 

 

Here's a funny thought, what if Indriad was just buried alive by Narcissa and that's where he's been all this time? HA! 

[Nexen57]

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

[TheHellHamster]

1 hour ago, Nexen57 said:

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

I suppose the reason you would get badges from fighting them would be Alice just asking the Unown to make some which would make more sense than Comet and Cosmia having badges for whatever reason.

[TheVentusX]

3 hours ago, Nexen57 said:

So I was replaying the Eclypsia Pyramid part and I came with something with Alice and Allen:

We all think Cosmos and Cosmia(if I recall correctly their names) would be the Dark and Fairy leaders because the badges match and the Starlight field boosts both type.But there are also two characters with a Fairy type and a Dark type and are blood related.

They're Allen and Alice:

Allen has an Alolan-Ninetales and Alice has a Sableye.So Allen could be a Fairy specialist and Alice a Dark specialist.But what's even better is the battle between Alice and Aelita.If you look at the battlefield there are stars everywhere which recalls the Starlight arena where we should fight them.And we never actually fought them so that could fit.

Plus there could be a name for each of their signature moves: Light's Embrace for Allen and Unown Buster for Alice.

Light's Embrace could be a special Fairy move associated with light like with Dazzling Gleam and Unown Buster would be a physical Dark type move (with a bonus random typing based on the Hidden Power type of the pokemon to recall the Unowns?).These moves are two of the moves Allen uses vs the Bladestar Admin.

That would definitely make sense, even more since Comet is still stuck in the MC-form and it would be kinda weird to battle against someone who looks like us for a badge  (okay maybe he regains his true form till then, but still...) And I really want to battle against the crazy twins with my own team  

 

But I'm also really curious about Cosmia's and Comet's role in the story. Even though Cosmia kidnapped (I really hope it was just thatO.o) the quiz man before he could tell us the identity of Madame X, I don't think they are allies of Team Xen, instead I think they either work for Crescent or someone still unknown to us (maybe team Amanda?).

 

Also what do you all think, what they are gaining from imitating the MC and Nancy?

[Magus543]

The shape-shifting duo get fame and comfort from imitating us and Nancy.  Also victims for Nim to turn to stone. 

[TheVentusX]

5 hours ago, Magus543 said:

The shape-shifting duo get fame and comfort from imitating us and Nancy.  Also victims for Nim to turn to stone. 

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

[iiiiitamar]

33 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

Maybe we're going to get the time diamond and use that to revive them.

 

 I have two guesses regarding jenner's death:

1. He is a doll created by madame x.

2. Crescent did something with him.

Edited May 24, 2020 by iiiiitamar

[Edo]

10 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

Lol thats true, didn't remember that, the fame thing makes sense, since Nancy is an idol (if our 'mother' really was the real Nancy) that would mean that they are indeed allies of Crescent, 'cause she gave Nim/Lorna her orders. As for why Crescent wanted Nim/Lorna to turn the gym leaders to stone, I think she wanted to stop the MC from gaining badges and through that hindering us in our journey or in gaining entry to the top 8, which would imply that there is somehow more to them than just the connection to Amanda's mystery organization, maybe even a deep connection to Team Xen or Indriad. Wouldn't surprise me anymore

 

Another thing regarding Crescent: During our scene with her when we died on Valor Mountain, she implied that those we lost can be rescued. First I thought we can revive them with the soul stone, but during our first trip to the past we learned that the stone was empty and till now we only obtained Anathea's soul. And even if Nancy was a doll/android/former maid it is possible for her to have a soul and it is really impossible that Jenner had no soul...so did they really die and if the answer is no what could have happened to them and how can they be saved. Maybe Crescent didn't just save Nim but also Jenner and during the Blacksteeple arc Nancy (not her body but her soul) This means she only used their "deaths" to manipulate us. On the other side then why the hint that they can be rescued? Maybe in future updates (postgame?) we have the chance to travel to important points of our past adventures and rescue the souls of the persons who died for our sake or without reason

The thing about stopping us from getting badges is actually a pretty good idea about her motivation.

Also, since Amanda mentioned the league already being infiltrated, wouldn't that mean some of the gym leaders we met were already spies/agents/or whatever of the organization Amanda came from? Maybe someone will betray us in the future. Maybe Crescent was targeting those leaders she believes to be part of said organization by petrifying them in order to get in their way and protect the MC?

 

The implication of saving everyone might also be possible by going back in time, since the whole story seems to be a time loop, as mentioned by Madame X and Kieran several times, who comment on events happening differently from what they know. Would be the easiest way at least. Also, the Last Ditch Project in Amethyst Grotto might have something to do with it, although I don't remember exactly if that was implied.

[TheVentusX]

1 hour ago, Edo said:

The thing about stopping us from getting badges is actually a pretty good idea about her motivation.

Also, since Amanda mentioned the league already being infiltrated, wouldn't that mean some of the gym leaders we met were already spies/agents/or whatever of the organization Amanda came from? Maybe someone will betray us in the future. Maybe Crescent was targeting those leaders she believes to be part of said organization by petrifying them in order to get in their way and protect the MC?

 

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

[Edo]

47 minutes ago, TheVentusX said:

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

you're right, lol, of course the ones we've met couldn't be spies, I already completely forgot everyone's story and personality after finishing the game again just recently

 

Second Plot Twist: Team AA was founded by Crescent, to stop us from helping others and go live a normal life  

Edited May 24, 2020 by Edo

[TheVentusX]

34 minutes ago, Edo said:

Second Plot Twist: Team AA was founded by Crescent, to stop us from helping others and go live a normal life  

Holy it is really shocking that this makes so much sense

[iiiiitamar]

9 hours ago, TheVentusX said:

I believe Amanda meant she has chosen gym leaders who are weaker than they should be (like Texen or in the case West Gearen City position chaos) or left positions vacant so when a regional crisis happens, they wouldn't be of any help (We just had the "big luck" that most of these changes happened after we obtained the strong ones badge ). But I can't believe anyone from the ones we fought already were used as agents, as all of them were either supporters for our cause, had their own circumstances (Kennan), didn't even really count and Team Amanda had no influence over them (Puppetmaster/Marianette) or like Angie and Flora who pursued their own (evil) agenda. The last two only played into Amanda's hands with their actions. Okay, who knows what happens in the future, now that Amanda's plot was revealed and we all know Jan and his surprises  

 

For the gym leaders we couldn't battle, as they were replaced through some circumstances, like Talon, it could be possible that they are agents/spies.

 

Plot twist: Team AA is behind all and they just act as useless idiots, so that nobody takes them serious

I think that Isha created the Amanda robot and she is apart of his big plan because he isn't with team xen, he is only helping Cassandra sometimes and Amanda says she got her hat from GDC.

[TheVentusX]

3 hours ago, iiiiitamar said:

I think that Isha created the Amanda robot and she is apart of his big plan because he isn't with team xen, he is only helping Cassandra sometimes and Amanda says she got her hat from GDC.

Wasn´t he just a pure psychotic doctor who shares a brain with his father to inrease his sucess rate? But it would be plausible, if Team Amanda hired him for help in creating the android, even though I don´t really think that, since why would you need a surgeon to create a android with living hair and laserbeams? Who knows, but we also still don´t know what "present" Ishia left for GDC.

 

Another thing regarding Amanda: she said that her team wants to reverse Celine´s plan. Is Celine the woman from Karen´s diary, who asked the Alamissa Urben gang (Adam, Karen, Damian and Ryland) to join the league? If so, that would mean she knew what would happen, but how? Maybe it has something to do with our time travels?

[Display name]

I have a theory on why the soul stone didn't suck anybody else up I believe that it already contained the soul of anathea when we picked it up in amethyst cave

[Crystalrage]

1 hour ago, Display name said:

I have a theory on why the soul stone didn't suck anybody else up I believe that it already contained the soul of anathea when we picked it up in amethyst cave

It can't be since anathea's soul was sucked when she was killed in the past.

[TheVentusX]

Also, on our first trip to the past it is said that the stone is empty and even if there was one soul inside of it, the stone can take more than one (if i remember correctly) 

[The Bookworm]

Just finished replaying where love lies, and in the true ending, Keta separates himself from his emotions and locks them away.

 

Do you think that is the same Keta we've seen in the v13 teasers encased in some type of sphere? Or maybe he locked his emotions in amethyst grotto, (which we fought to get the badge) 

Edited May 25, 2020 by The Bookworm

[TheVentusX]

You are right with your second guess, we fought his sealed emotions for the badge.

 

As for the teaser, it could have something to do with the puppetmaster, as the new title of the episode implies this.

[Wolf5002]

I don't know if this belongs here, but I just discovered today that in Goldenwood Grove has a another pathway that leads to a small area with a cave and when you enter the cave, there is nothing, but a Icy Rock. I wonder, what was that small area in Goldenwood Grove meant to be? For me it looks like there could be a legendary hiding there in the postgame, but I want hear your thoughts about this mystery area.

[Nexen57]

It could just be a little hidden area to get an item plus we already have Mesprit for Goldenwood Forest.Two legendaries at the same location is too much.

[Wolf5002]

1 hour ago, Nexen57 said:

It could just be a little hidden area to get an item plus we already have Mesprit for Goldenwood Forest.Two legendaries at the same location is too much.

Probably you're right, I just thought it was weird that there was a lone icy rock in the cave, even though we can get it in the mining rocks.

[iiiiitamar]

4 hours ago, Nexen57 said:

It could just be a little hidden area to get an item plus we already have Mesprit for Goldenwood Forest.Two legendaries at the same location is too much.

Maybe there is a diving spot/doorway that leads to somewhere else.

[TheVentusX]

I think we can explore more of the goldenwood area after getting Waterfall. Maybe the new area has something to do with the cave or Jan just hid the entrance to a deeper level for a future update 

[iiiiitamar]

I've been thinking, and I think that griselda is alive and maybe we also met her. My theory is that madame x is Griselda because both of them have black hair, this would explain how Madame x knows everything she knows and why she needs melia's powers.