Hello, I'm a new player! :)

[Cowtao]

Another up-beat person...You and Wish will be great friends if you manage to get a hold of her.

Welcome to Reborn~

[Energy-chan]

Pretty much!

I want to kill Suzy. Why wont she give me the Vulpix.....</3

@Cowtao:

Thanks! ^w^

Look forward to meeting them. Yeah I'm pretty chill. x3

[Energy-chan]

I got a careful natured Vulpix female with drought, is it worth trying for a shiny? Or does it take a long time of turning on and off on and off? Since even if I get it shiny it might not have the right nature or ability. x.x

Edited August 31, 2013 by Energy-chan

[Energy-chan]

^ Yeah buy some common candies to get them to lvl 24 back. If you reallllyyy need the Vulpix, running around actually raises your Pokemon friendship but it's very long. xD Oh and make sure you save before getting it because it can have Drought.

After beating Fern, check out the building near the Game Corner, and talk to the guy who just appeared, and you'll be able to go to the Rooftop, which is a pretty good training spot that you may need for the battle to come..

Is there a good spot to train in Onyx Ward?

I got a level 14 Vulpix and Ralts, and the garden and sewer places aren't so good. x.x

[Shushup]

Try training in the secret garden in Onyx Ward, after you beat Fern and his gang, one of them will open the door, and you can get in. sometimes there's a Pichu on top behind a tree. On windy days you can get a Starly up there.

[Energy-chan]

Try training in the secret garden in Onyx Ward, after you beat Fern and his gang, one of them will open the door, and you can get in. sometimes there's a Pichu on top behind a tree. On windy days you can get a Starly up there.

Darn it's after Fern. That jerk. >.< Oh well. Vulpix is level 15, Ralts is level 14. (The other two are like level 28.)

So Vulpix and Ralts aren't far away, once Vulpix learns a stronger fire move I'll be okay to beat Fern and then can train. c:

Is the garden at the gym then? And how rare is the Pichu? C:

[Shushup]

just keep going in and out of the elevator, and pay attention closely to the trees, you'll see a little Yellow "flash" and all you have to do is walk up and talk to it, battle it, and catch it. I also recommend getting some Common Candies, so your pokemon that are level 28, will listen to you It may be a pain to level them up again, but it's better than them not listening to you xD

[Energy-chan]

just keep going in and out of the elevator, and pay attention closely to the trees, you'll see a little Yellow "flash" and all you have to do is walk up and talk to it, battle it, and catch it. I also recommend getting some Common Candies, so your pokemon that are level 28, will listen to you It may be a pain to level them up again, but it's better than them not listening to you xD

Thanks! =)

And I agree, but I really don't want to...uuuggghhh. Fern I hate you and love you. x'3

I'm raising Vulpix and Ralts to level 23. (Ages away yay!) And then if they can win against Fern, get stronger and then be ready for Florina, I may not have to use a common candy. It's worth a try, though I wish more trainers were around. I need 7 more battles just to make Vulpix level 17. xD

[Shushup]

Thanks! =)

And I agree, but I really don't want to...uuuggghhh. Fern I hate you and love you. x'3

I'm raising Vulpix and Ralts to level 23. (Ages away yay!) And then if they can win against Fern, get stronger and then be ready for Florina, I may not have to use a common candy. It's worth a try, though I wish more trainers were around. I need 7 more battles just to make Vulpix level 17. xD

Haha! I hope you can successfully train them to your content! Also, I would recommend getting a Scraggy from the Obsidia Slums(remember that blocked door? well it should be open now since you defeated the tangrowth). Florinia also has a Cradily which is a pain so watch out for that

[Energy-chan]

Haha! I hope you can successfully train them to your content! Also, I would recommend getting a Scraggy from the Obsidia Slums(remember that blocked door? well it should be open now since you defeated the tangrowth). Florinia also has a Cradily which is a pain so watch out for that

I want a Gallade in the future, I have a Ralts level 14. So if I can avoid raising another fighting type. Cradily, I forget what it's weak to. x.x

Hopefully! Vulpix is level 17. I don't know what "generation" it's based on so not sure when it'll learn a new fire move. xD

Sounds like Florina is hard to beat, I found Julia easy. >.>

Edited August 31, 2013 by Energy-chan

[Shushup]

I want a Gallade in the future, I have a Ralts level 14. So if I can avoid raising another fighting type. Cradily, I forget what it's weak to. x.x

Hopefully! Vulpix is level 17. I don't know what "generation" it's based on so not sure when it'll learn a new fire move. xD

Sounds like Florina is hard to beat, I found Julia easy. >.>

Pokemon Reborn is updated to the moveset of Pokemon Black/White 2, Cradily is weak against; Ice, Steel, Bug, and Fighting.

Vulpix also learns a Fire type move at lvl 23, Flame Burst.

[Energy-chan]

Pokemon Reborn is updated to the moveset of Pokemon Black/White 2, Cradily is weak against; Ice, Steel, Bug, and Fighting.

Vulpix also learns a Fire type move at lvl 23, Flame Burst.

I'm also broke with $200. So I'm going to battle Fern again and again and lose again and again and use him for training. My Vulpix went up from level 16 to 18 by beating his Servine. So I'll just have to use him. >.<'''

Can't wait for Flame Burst ha ha!

Damn I'll want to kill Cradily. xD

[Shushup]

Cradily is very bulky, just a heads up. Also if you need help just PM me or anyone else the Message thing is also on the left of the screen, so yeah

[Magus]

How to sweep Cradiliy like nothing. Now in steps and other alternate methods

Pro Strat1:Suicide grinding

1) This is only if you want to level up and don't care for money

-spend all your poke dollars on stuff until you are low and can't buy anything.

- Battle a strong trainer, I.E a gym leader

- Lose on purpose

- repeat until you are at a decent level

(My friend Robbie and I came up with that way back in blue version)

2) Pro Strat2: The rage way: Are you furious with Florina, do you want to convert your rage into a weapon? Well I have the solution for you

- Get the King of Carp Magicarp (I recommend saving and restarting until you get a good nature)

-Level him to 23

- Obtain Dragon Rage AND UNLEASH YOUR POWER

- Get a pachiritsu

- get charm

-Break cradiliy's attack

- 3 HKO on Cradiliy

-umm......Profit

3) Pro Srat3: Ummm get a fighting type

- If your starter is a torchick or chimcar she is too easy

- If you don't have one go into the warrens and get a scraggy

- fight Florina

-..............................

-Profit

There no one deserves to get stuck on the second gym, so hope that helps you out.

Edited August 31, 2013 by Money_Man115

[Stiffins]

Gallade ftw. I think you're the only other person i've seen to use a Gallade as their main so far.

Also, i had scraggy AND a charmeleon with dragon rage on cradily and still lost about 3-4 times. IIRC it took 3 dragon rages.

[Magus]

Gallade ftw. I think you're the only other person i've seen to use a Gallade as their main so far.

Also, i had scraggy AND a charmeleon with dragon rage on cradily and still lost about 3-4 times. IIRC it took 3 dragon rages.

Thanks for pointing that out, it is a three HKO, but I forgot because It has been a while since I fought her. I also forgot to add Pacharisu.

[Energy-chan]

@Everyone:

I have Marshtomp level 28, Spinda level 29, Vulpix level 20 and Ralts level 14. If that helps. =)
No game has ever made me rage so much, Fern and Florina, are not fun to face if you have a water starter. >.<

@Stiffins: flipping hec. >.< She's only #2!!

@Money_Man115: Suicide way it is. I have a Ralts, I don't want to raise another fighting type. I have Marshtomp, so I don't want another water type. So...yeah.

@shushup: This game doesn't give me a break. >.< I just beat Fern. >.> I think they make gym 2 a little too hard, with two high level trainers and gym trainers to boot and level grinding is hard with a lack of Pokemon that give good experience. @.@ Gym #1 was so easy. xD

[Stiffins]

xD I know that feel. Florinia is arguably one of the most difficult leaders though, especially with a water starter. I think she got nerfed a bit in 9.0 too.

Yeah when i did gym 1 i was like, what i thought this game was super hard. When i reached Florinia it all made sense. º^º

[Energy-chan]

xD I know that feel. Florinia is arguably one of the most difficult leaders though, especially with a water starter. I think she got nerfed a bit in 9.0 too.

Yeah when i did gym 1 i was like, what i thought this game was super hard. When i reached Florinia it all made sense. º^º

Yeah....I think Florina will be the hardest. Don't know how I'll pull it off with 1 super potion and no trainers to battle. xD

[RazeArmada]

Welcome to the realm of "forget your sanity behind because you wont need that."

hohoho but anywho, welcome to Reborn. Have fun, no hate, and lets all play nice.

Also, im surprised that there are still people who like Fern. Personally, I'm not a fan of him because story reasons.
But we cant really hate on just because of that. everyone has preferences so lets all peace.

Edited August 31, 2013 by RazeArmada

[Energy-chan]

Welcome to the realm of "forget your sanity behind because you wont need that."

hohoho but anywho, welcome to Reborn. Have fun, no hate, and lets all play nice.

Also, im surprised that there are still people who like Fern. Personally, I'm not a fan of him because story reasons.

But we cant really hate on just because of that. everyone has preferences so lets all peace.

Thank you!

Sounds like my kind of place. x)

I like Fern even more because of the story. I think he's awesome, although I'd like him to become nicer to my character by the end of the league, I'll always like his character. xD I liked Silver, Paul and Gary so.~ No shocker.

Only people I dislike are Titania, El and someone else I forget. x3

[DJ Mewdeon ft Dan Punk]

Thank you!

Sounds like my kind of place. x)

I like Fern even more because of the story. I think he's awesome, although I'd like him to become nicer to my character by the end of the league, I'll always like his character. xD I liked Silver, Paul and Gary so.~ No shocker.

Only people I dislike are Titania, El and someone else I forget. x3

Admittedly, I'm rather curious as to why you're a fan of these characters. Personally, I'm not particularly fond of any of them (Blue/Gary's character in the games has some merit though, I'll give you that) so it's difficult for me to understand why you're such a persistent supporter of them. I'll give Fern some credit too, as he's been shown to have a decent amount of competitive knowledge post his battle with Aya but in my experience he's been more a nuisance than anything else. Despite him continuing to talk big game, thrashing Fern's team hasn't ever been even moderately difficult (I will say that fighting alongside him very early in the game was one of the more painful experiences I've gone through in Reborn). Silver and Paul have been shown on several occasions to be outright cruel to other people/Pokemon. Do you think you could shed a little light on why you like them so much?

Oh, and I'm not sure it's my place to say as I've had this forum account for not even a week now, but welcome to reborn.

[Magus]

I like Fern because he is that special douche bag. He talks a big game and can't use his pokemon to back it up. I like him so much that I use evasion hacks on my Gardevoir to sweep his whole team.

Edited September 1, 2013 by Money_Man115

[Stiffins]

Never try to rationalize a woman's behaviour, especially regarding areas of intimacy. There are scores of women that are attracted to fictional characters such as House (a drug addict douchebag), Rorschach (an ugly little psychopath who is asexual) and even the ****ing Joker. The guy who beats his girlfriend half to death on a regular basis.

[DJ Mewdeon ft Dan Punk]

I like Fern because he is that special douche bag. He talks a big game and can't use his pokemon to back it up. I like him so much that I use evasion hacks on my Gardevoir to sweep his whole team.

You like him because he's.. trope-y? It sounds like you're saying that you like him because of the kind of character he is - as if he's the big talking school bully that you never got a chance to stick it to as a kid and now you get to outsmart him and wreck his team easily to make the little kid in you proud for standing up to him.

I suppose I can see it like that, liking that you get to thrash the guy is a thing.

Never try to rationalize a woman's behaviour, especially regarding areas of intimacy. There are scores of women that are attracted to fictional characters such as House (a drug addict douchebag), Rorschach (an ugly little psychopath who is asexual) and even the ****ing Joker. The guy who beats his girlfriend half to death on a regular basis.

Mate, I'm just here trying to have a civil discussion relating to character design and talking openly about it. Additionally, each of the characters you mention are not as one sided as you describe and some (mainly the Joker) have significant depth to them, depending on the version of the story.

House specifically saves people's lives on an episodic basis - the guy is a legitimate doctor if nothing else. He may be misanthropic, but he's a genius at least speaking medically. Granted he can be brash at times, but he's a flawed heroic character in the sense that he does save lives many times throughout the series. If I watched more of it I could speak more to the character, but alas I haven't seen enough episodes to do serious character analysis. I do know that the show makes many nods to Sherlock Holmes and is essentially a mystery-based medical drama, of which House is the protagonist (and in this case the 'hero') who, though his methods are usually questionable, does his job and does it well.

Rorschach is tougher for me to speak to as I've only seen the Watchmen movie once and haven't read the comics. I do note that his character is very twisted (but so is everyone in that regard - there are no pure heroes as far as most heroic cliches go). Unfortunately I don't have much to work with here, so all I can do is say "not knowing, can't say."

Joker is probably the most complex of the three examples you give, but I'll try to boil it down to the simplest form. Joker, essentially, only exists because Batman does. In the recent Dark Knight movie it's portrayed excellently that neither of them can exist without the other. Joker is the perfect villain in this sense - he just wants to watch the world burn. A perfect psychopath, it's clear that people can get enthralled by the sheer depth and complexity that this character has and how well they show off what a villain should be like. The Dark Knight's Joker specifically is one of the most terrifying, disgusting villains I've ever seen.. and in that regard, his character serves it's purpose phenomenally. Straight from the mouth of the Joker himself to Batman:

"Hah! I don't want to kill you! ..What would I do without you? Go back to rippin' off mob dealers? No.. no..no.

No...you.. you complete me."

Sick and twisted as he is I really enjoyed this portrayal of the character. Heath Ledger (RIP) did an amazing job and quite frankly is easily the best portrayal of the Joker that I've ever seen. Plus, Harlequinn/Harley Quinn is a character that's a pretty clear description of what Stockholm Syndrome is.

The point I'm getting at here is that these characters - Blue/Gary, Fern, Silver, Paul - these characters aren't exactly designed for you to like them. They're your rival, the person that you compete with to be the best Pokemon trainer around. The latter three aren't exactly nice to you either, so there's that. The natural reaction is to dislike them or, in the case of Blue/Gary, engage in friendly competition with them. So when someone says that Fern is one of their favorite characters that strikes me as a different, interesting reaction. Something that'd be neat to talk about.