DecShep Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Finally beat the nightmare challenge. And woah a lot happened. That I guess abyss place was really cool. So we saw our memories, plus some memories of others. Cain/Aya, Blake/Cal, Radomus/Gardervoir, and some meteor things here and there (I'm on the Zekrom path in case that matters) But there were some things I was confused by. Biggest, was the whole Glaceon/Espeon->Lumi/Eve thing. Noel and Anna were strapped into some beds, but labeled as Eve and Lumi. And it was stated they borrowed their bodies? Or swapped with Anna/Noel? But I thought it was made clear that they (Lumi/Eve) were possessing their own Eons and assisting the player? And then their own bodies were back. So yeah that kinda confused me. And Gardevoir was in love with Radomus, but something about her, jealousy or something? I assume she's referring to Rado's late wife? I know that was her with the meteor quote, from a YouTube comment. And if I'm understanding correctly, Rado felt the same way back? But only because his desire for his wife kinda transferred so to speak to Gardevoir? She originally belonged to his wife right, and she asked Gardevoir to look after him? So I guess she reminds him of his wife. Zel, is now just Zero correct? Albeit Zero with the trauma of once having 3 consciousness now being one again, but still his body. Granted I assume its as a result of that. but from what I remember from the incident, Zero sounded like he was some aggressive tough guy forcing Eve to work on the machine. Yet now he seems like a timid grunt, and was even described by Bennett as originally being a low level Grunt. He still calls himself Zel though and 'us'. Even though Lumi and Eve explicitly have their own bodies again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candy Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 I think Eve and Lumi got their bodies back when the Magnezone exploded back in the end of E16. That's why Eve and Lumi's bodies weren't in their beds, though Idk why Anna and Noel were there instead. Eve and Lumi were controlling their eeveelutions from afar, not possessing them iirc. I donut remember the whole Radomus lore. ZEL rose through the ranks thanks to Eve, and Zero got piggybacked due to sharing the same body. Once he lost Eve and Lumi, he felt lonely and back to his "insignificant" self since Eve was no longer him. That's why he is timid now, because he can't act aggressive anymore since he isn't ZEL but just Zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edo Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 Eve and Lumi were secretly crawling through the ventilation shafts so Eve could go turn off the power supply to disable the Pulse Hypno. So Anna and Noel took their place so no one from Team Meteor would notice they were gone, since if they were searching for Lumi and Eve, they might have stopped them from helping the player. If you remember when ZEL and Bennett were talking about the generator cycling or something, that was Eve's doing who tried to disable it at the time. And like Candy said, ZEL was heavily dependent on Eve's knowledge on the Pulse machines to keep his position as admin, alone he is just an insignificant grunt. And after several years he got used to having 2 other minds inhabiting him, but now that they are gone, it is very "quiet" inside of his head all of a sudden. This is probably driving him insane, to the point that he desperately tries talking to them like they are still there in his mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nguyengiangoc Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 To me ZEL is one of the most ingenious characters ever created by Ame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kithas Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 For the Gardevoir/Radomus relationship, iirc, Gardevoir's ability could have been Trace, meaning his wife's feelings for him got replicated by the pokémon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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