Predictions for Saphira's team

[JDMM]

So, with EP19 coming up, what team are you thinking Saphira's will have? 

I'm betting 

Dragonite (obviously) 

Dragalge(to deal with Fairies) 

Kommo-o (to deal with Ice) or Duraludon if they put Gen 8 mons(Deals with both Ice and Fairy) 

Goodra (Mono Dragon and a pretty bulky mon) 

Kingdra (not weak to Ice and a powerful poke all around 

Garchomp (powerful dragon type, deals with the Steel resistance to Dragon) 

 

[JDMM]

Could also give her a MegazardX for Steel types and Ice/Fairy neutrality 

[Duskfang Shadowpaw]

Hey there,

 

after extensively studying the effects of Dragon's Den, I believe that this might be a fitting team for her highness.

 

Saphira Belrose (pokepast.es)

[JDMM]

I see. Flygon over Chomp because of the access to DD, and the Dragon reducing berry for obvious reasons(Would give it EQ over Bulldoze) 

 

I'd put Life Orb and Dragon Pulse on Dragalge because I don't like the drop from Draco Meteor, even with the White Herb I don't think it's that good, and get rid of T-Spikes over some other move, if it gets Flamethrower I'd go with it

 

On Haxorus I'd give it Dragon Claw over Outrage(Same for Tyrantrum) and some other item, maybe a Roseli Berry (again, don't like the lock in and confusion) 

 

On Dragonite I'd not give it HyperBeam and give it Fire Punch 

Edited June 10, 2021 by JDMM

[Seel The Deal]

Hmm... let's see here:

- Garchomp is probably a no, and Mega Garchomp is certainly a no, given it's the ace of two major trainers (Terra and Solaris) and one of those is another leader

- Noivern seems very likely as the only mon that stops her getting 6-0'd by, well, opposing Noivern lol (but also Weavile, Naganadel, hail teams etc), though I suppose a Choice Scarf user works too

- I don't think Dragalge is all that much of a certainty, given just how hard Fire coverage hits in the Dragon's Den field and how few Fairy types resist it, as well as its strong Water coverage being weaker in the field

- Because of said deficit to Water moves, Kingdra is rather unlikely

- Between the remaining megas of Sceptile, Charizard, Altaria and Salamence, the most likely is Charizard as it has a unique typing which notably isn't weak to either Ice or Fairy, gets to take extra advantage of the field's Fire-type boost, and isn't as "out of place" as Altaria or Sceptile

- Honestly Flygon and Haxorus both seem equally feasible as picks

 

I'd be betting on something along the lines of this myself, give or take the moveslots and items. Kommo-o is notable as a Rock resist (which unlike Flygon actually has some bulk) which helps with the partial Fire- and Flying- typings on some dragons, especially since Dragon's Den is one Z-move away from becoming a Cave field. I'm not entirely certain if its Z-move is implemented - but I would assume so given we're up to date with USUM.

 

Buuuuuut of course that's just my take on what the team could be and we'll never really know until E19 is out~

[JDMM]

40 minutes ago, Seel The Deal said:

Hmm... let's see here:

- Garchomp is probably a no, and Mega Garchomp is certainly a no, given it's the ace of two major trainers (Terra and Solaris) and one of those is another leader

- Noivern seems very likely as the only mon that stops her getting 6-0'd by, well, opposing Noivern lol (but also Weavile, Naganadel, hail teams etc), though I suppose a Choice Scarf user works too

- I don't think Dragalge is all that much of a certainty, given just how hard Fire coverage hits in the Dragon's Den field and how few Fairy types resist it, as well as its strong Water coverage being weaker in the field

- Because of said deficit to Water moves, Kingdra is rather unlikely

- Between the remaining megas of Sceptile, Charizard, Altaria and Salamence, the most likely is Charizard as it has a unique typing which notably isn't weak to either Ice or Fairy, gets to take extra advantage of the field's Fire-type boost, and isn't as "out of place" as Altaria or Sceptile

- Honestly Flygon and Haxorus both seem equally feasible as picks

 

I'd be betting on something along the lines of this myself, give or take the moveslots and items. Kommo-o is notable as a Rock resist (which unlike Flygon actually has some bulk) which helps with the partial Fire- and Flying- typings on some dragons, especially since Dragon's Den is one Z-move away from becoming a Cave field. I'm not entirely certain if its Z-move is implemented - but I would assume so given we're up to date with USUM.

 

Buuuuuut of course that's just my take on what the team could be and we'll never really know until E19 is out~

It's confirmed that the battle will be in the Dragon's Den field? 

I'd put Dragalge in so she had a Fairy neutrality besides Dragonite (because of the Multiscale buff) and even with MegazardX Fairy neutralities aren't ever enough for a Dragon type specialist (and the SE hits are always good to have, since only like Mawile can resist (actually being immune) a 494 BP Sludge Wave (Counting a Life Orb, 2x Se and Adaptability)(You could use a Expert Belt instead for a bit less power but no Recoil) especially when Ice types are not a thing that matters.. Flygon over Chomp makes sense for the access to DD.. Also having a Special attacker is a matter of balancing the team 

Over your "Fire power buff and lack of resistances to Fire by Fairy types I think the only one that does is Primarina (wich is so slow that would be overwhelmed by pretty much everything) 

Edited June 10, 2021 by JDMM

[Seel The Deal]

18 minutes ago, JDMM said:

It's confirmed that the battle will be in the Dragon's Den field? 

I'd put Dragalge in so she had a Fairy neutrality besides Dragonite (because of the Multiscale buff) and even with MegazardX Fairy neutralities aren't ever enough for a Dragon type specialist (and the SE hits are always good to have, since only like Mawile can resist (actually being immune) a 494 BP Sludge Wave (Counting a Life Orb, 2x Se and Adaptability) especially when Ice types are not a thing that matters.. Flygon over Chomp makes sense for the access to DD.. Also having a Special attacker is a matter of balancing the team 

Over your "Fire power buff and lack of resistances to Fire by Fairy types I think the only one that does is Primarina (wich is so slow that would be overwhelmed by pretty much everything) 

 

Don't really think it would make sense as anything but Dragon's Den, I think the only other fields which give serious boosts to dragons are Crystal Cave, Rainbow and New World? One of which we can pretty obviously rule out, and it's definitely not Rainbow either

 

Primarina, Azumarill, Carbink and Mega Altaria all resist Fire but 3 of them are particularly slow (and Carbink is super weak) and the other doesn't have answers anyway, pretty sure any joe schmoe will be able to lead Mega Altaria and click Dragon Dance and there isn't a damn thing Saphira can do about it, +2 Pixilate Return/Dragon Claw is going to melt everything in sight

[JDMM]

28 minutes ago, Seel The Deal said:

 

Don't really think it would make sense as anything but Dragon's Den, I think the only other fields which give serious boosts to dragons are Crystal Cave, Rainbow and New World? One of which we can pretty obviously rule out, and it's definitely not Rainbow either

 

Primarina, Azumarill, Carbink and Mega Altaria all resist Fire but 3 of them are particularly slow (and Carbink is super weak) and the other doesn't have answers anyway, pretty sure any joe schmoe will be able to lead Mega Altaria and click Dragon Dance and there isn't a damn thing Saphira can do about it, +2 Pixilate Return/Dragon Claw is going to melt everything in sight

Yeah, seems like Mega Altaria would be the best answer to her (Provided you can get it) with the boost for Dragon from the field DClaw is good enough but I think Pixelate Return would be stronger? (102*1.3*1.5) since it's pretty easy to get max friendship (Just use Pokesnax or a Blue Moon Ice cream) 

Garchomp being used by Terra and Solaris doesn't mean that Saphira cannot use it (Excadrill is used by both Terra and Titania) 

 

Make it a bulky one(Max HP then split between Attack and Speed?)  so you can set up 2DDs for good measure 

That or Screens/Memento support 

Edited June 10, 2021 by JDMM

[RocketOSullivan]

Dragonite, M-Zard X, 100%. I see two others pseudos at least, Kommo-o and Goodra (Hydreigon being held by Lin, Mence by Heather and Chomp by Terra and Solaris). For the rest I see a majority of physical attackers, as Dragon Claw is the last remaining  Dragon TM we are sure that she will gift us with it when we beat her, which means a bunch of Dragon Claw users in her team. Goodra as a special mon seems enough, so I'd say Haxorus and Tyrantrum, maybe a possibility of a Druddigon.

[JDMM]

13 minutes ago, RocketOSullivan said:

Dragonite, M-Zard X, 100%. I see two others pseudos at least, Kommo-o and Goodra (Hydreigon being held by Lin, Mence by Heather and Chomp by Terra and Solaris). For the rest I see a majority of physical attackers, as Dragon Claw is the last remaining TM we are sure that she will gift us with it when we beat her, which means a bunch of Dragon Claw users in her team. Goodra as a special mon seems enough, so I'd say Haxorus and Tyrantrum, maybe a possibility of a Druddigon.

Even with a Dragalge+Goodra makes it 4physical ones.. I was against Kommo-o and Hydreigon because of the 4x to Fairy but I'd rather see her with a Kommo-o(for the Rock resist like Seel said) Give it Roseli Berry and GG

[wcv]

Saphira’s going to be using Charizard-X simply because of who her family is even if the field didn’t support it.

[Seel The Deal]

6 hours ago, JDMM said:

Garchomp being used by Terra and Solaris doesn't mean that Saphira cannot use it (Excadrill is used by both Terra and Titania) 

Excadrill isn't the ace of either of those trainers, though. It's just a mon they have, nothing special

 

Garchomp could show up, I'm just saying I don't think it's very likely at all

[JDMM]

11 hours ago, Seel The Deal said:

Excadrill isn't the ace of either of those trainers, though. It's just a mon they have, nothing special

 

Garchomp could show up, I'm just saying I don't think it's very likely at all

Yeah, especially with DD being much likely the main gimmick of the Gym Battle 

[JDMM]

On 6/10/2021 at 9:05 PM, Seel The Deal said:

 

Don't really think it would make sense as anything but Dragon's Den, I think the only other fields which give serious boosts to dragons are Crystal Cave, Rainbow and New World? One of which we can pretty obviously rule out, and it's definitely not Rainbow either

 

Primarina, Azumarill, Carbink and Mega Altaria all resist Fire but 3 of them are particularly slow (and Carbink is super weak) and the other doesn't have answers anyway, pretty sure any joe schmoe will be able to lead Mega Altaria and click Dragon Dance and there isn't a damn thing Saphira can do about it, +2 Pixilate Return/Dragon Claw is going to melt everything in sight

You could even teach it Facade, status it before the battle and obliterate Saphira's team with a 273 BP Fairy moveat +2 :v

[Dylo]

On 6/10/2021 at 3:00 PM, JDMM said:

So, with EP19 coming up, what team are you thinking Saphira's will have? 

I'm betting 

Dragonite (obviously) 

Dragalge(to deal with Fairies) 

Kommo-o (to deal with Ice) or Duraludon if they put Gen 8 mons(Deals with both Ice and Fairy) 

Goodra (Mono Dragon and a pretty bulky mon) 

Kingdra (not weak to Ice and a powerful poke all around 

Garchomp (powerful dragon type, deals with the Steel resistance to Dragon) 

 

probably 

but can someone help me get past the 4th gym 

like what types are a need 

what pokemon did you use 

I need help :(

[JDMM]

3 hours ago, Dylo said:

probably 

but can someone help me get past the 4th gym 

like what types are a need 

what pokemon did you use 

I need help :(

Ah.. Shelly.. She's probably the most difficult one to face, because you don't really get much against her team.. Rain makes Fire useless, coverage against Rock and Flying types, etc... I'd say a Flying type (Careful with Anorith and Yanmega because they pack Rock moves(Rock Slide and AP respectively ) would be your best bet alongside something like a Skuntank (she has zero Ground moves and you can go Acid Spray support for your other Pokemon), a Fighting type with something non Fighting (Knock Off on Haryiama can be pretty clutch, get one with Guts and try to Poison it on Malchous Forest or something(Off beedrill or Poison Pointers) (Careful with Flying moves on her team) and the Granbull from the Peridot Ward..... Other than that I really don't know

Edited June 19, 2021 by JDMM

[Bennylava]

On 6/19/2021 at 7:00 PM, Dylo said:

probably 

but can someone help me get past the 4th gym 

like what types are a need 

what pokemon did you use 

I need help :(

 

On 6/19/2021 at 10:01 PM, JDMM said:

Ah.. Shelly.. She's probably the most difficult one to face, because you don't really get much against her team.. Rain makes Fire useless, coverage against Rock and Flying types, etc... I'd say a Flying type (Careful with Anorith and Yanmega because they pack Rock moves(Rock Slide and AP respectively ) would be your best bet alongside something like a Skuntank (she has zero Ground moves and you can go Acid Spray support for your other Pokemon), a Fighting type with something non Fighting (Knock Off on Haryiama can be pretty clutch, get one with Guts and try to Poison it on Malchous Forest or something(Off beedrill or Poison Pointers) (Careful with Flying moves on her team) and the Granbull from the Peridot Ward..... Other than that I really don't know

 

You have a plethora of options against Shelly.

 

Fake Out the Rain Dance turn 1 and you have super effective Fire moves for a good while. Then swap it out and keep it alive to Fake Out Anorith later on to give you a turn to deal with it.

 

Persian learns Power Gem. Dugtrio, Sandslash are both available. Fearow is available, too. Growlithe will do good work.

 

Emolga is brilliant, too. It has access to Acrobatics and Encore already, you should Encore the Rain Dance turn 1 and then Fake Out the Anorith when it comes out with a Meowstic or, if you get Male Meowstic set up Reflect against Anorith.

 

Something as simple as Telluric Seed Growlithe with Meowstic start, Fake Out Illumise and start spamming Flame Burst. Then bring in Emolga with Acrobatics, Persian with Power Gem or Fearow with Aerial Ace. Dugtrio learns Sucker Punch and can help deal with Anorith if she gets her Rain Dance combo off later.

 

I don't remember if there's a Link Stone available before Shelly, but if there is then you can get Golem and set up Stealth Rock, or wait until her Water-types are done for.

 

Magcargo from the Arcade is available, too. Just make sure you deal with her Water-type attacls first.

 

Ampharos has access to both Power Gem and Thunder Wave for you.

 

Seaking is genuinely pretty strong too at this point in the game and it takes advantage of Shelly using Rain Dance. Have fun with a boosted 80 BP Waterfall.

 

Stoutland is really strong early game, too. Get it to 36 and then back down to get Retaliate and you have a strong back-up, too.

 

If you got Mareanie from the mystery egg you have access to Wide Guard, lol.

Which one did you get from the mystery egg? Which one's your starter mon?

 

You have so many options, just get creative my friend.