Tomas Elliot Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 So, I am trying my best to create a competitive team that is possible to build in game, either in Pokemon X or in Pokemon Y. After a lot of research I have come up with this, but I feel there are still things that could be improved a lot: Apparently there is something wrong with Gen 6 sprites, however the missing one is Florges. Allow me to explain in detail the use I am planning to make of each Pokemon: for each of them I have doubts and questions in my mind, so please help me by giving all the suggestions you can... @ Custap Berry Ability: Shadow Tag EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Timid Nature - Counter - Destiny Bond - Encore - Mirror Coat Wobbuffet is possibly my favorite Pokemon. Yes even more than Tyrannitar, and sure as hell more than Salamence. In the right hands, for example mine, this guy is absolutely deadly: from revenging choiced Pokemon to trapping and encoring support ones (which is the reason why I invested so much in Speed) in order to give a companion a free switch in, Wobbuffet has it all, and it is hands-down the most important member of this team. And the Custap-Bond combo grants you an extra kill, just for added bs value. THE PROBLEM: is Custap Berry obtainable at all in X/Y? If so, where? @ Lucarionite Ability: Steadfast EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Power-Up Punch - Bullet Punch - Swords Dance - Crunch The only Pokemon that truly benefits from Mega Evolution (just make some calcs and you'll find out that all Pokemon, with the only two exceptions being Lucario and Mawile which offensively sucks anyway, are actually able to deal far more damage in their regular state with a Choice Item or a Life Orb, than in their itemless Mega state), Lucario is here to pick the bones after the rest of the team has done what it is supposed to do (wear down opponents). The idea is to exploit Wobbuffet to give Lucario a free switch in, Mega Evolve AND use Swords Dance as the opponent is forced out, and then proceed to clean house: Power-Up Punch kills anything that would die to Close Combat thanks to the boost it gets from the insane Adaptability ability, and in doing so boosts your Attack even more, Bullet Punch is stronger than Scizor's and Crunch rounds out coverage. It seems to me that next Gen's OU tier has already found its top sweeper... THE PROBLEM: ...Except that Extremespeed in far inferior to Bullet Punch. It just doesn't cut it, this set NEEDS Bullet Punch to be effective. But Bullet Punch can only be obtained by breeding with Hitmonchan, which iirc is not present in X/Y... This is actually a huge problem, and unless some of you guys can come up with a way of getting Bullet Punch, I might as well go for a different set up sweeper to use in the same spot... But who should I use in this case? Blaziken? Is there even a remote possibility that Blaziken will be any less than Uber in Gen 6? Or maybe something else? Whatever goes in this spot, it will REALLY need something to hit them Fairies, too... @ Leftovers Ability: Flower Veil EVs: 252 HP / 252 SDef / 4 SAtk Modest Nature - Aromatherapy - Moonblast - Wish - Protect Forget about Blissey, Florges is where it's at: a better typing both offensively and defensively, a comparable special bulk (much less HP, but much more SpDef), and a decent SpAtk that can actually kill stuff even uninvested, thanks to the amazing Moonblast. And those three moves there, Aromatherapy, Wish and Protect, can keep alive theentire team without any trouble... THE PROBLEM: None really. The Shiny Stone and the TM for Protect are easily obtained in the game, and the other moves are learned via level up, so this is actually the only member of the team that I am 100% guaranteed to use... @ Leftovers Ability: Sturdy EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 Atk Impish Nature - Brave Bird - Roost - Spikes - Whirlwind No comments needed, we all know what Skarmory does. The synergy it has with Florges is simply amazing, this core has seriously the potential to become better than the good old Skarm-Bliss... THE PROBLEM: Is Skarmory even in the game? I vaguely remember bumping into one once, but I might be wrong, and I would like someone to confirm this... @ Black Sludge Ability: Liquid Ooze EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef Modest Nature - Sludge Bomb - Toxic Spikes - Rapid Spin - Protect Great typing, great bulk, is a rapid spinner... And even with the new Defog mechanics, Tentacruel can still do it better than the few guys which actually got the new OP variant of Rapid Spin... THE PROBLEM: Scald (or Surf) is far superior to Sludge Bomb, but without a reliable way of hitting them fairies (see Lucario @THE PROBLEM) I might be forced to resort to that... I've seen that many people use Excadrill as offensive Rapid Spin user, so yeah, maybe I could use that over Luke, and maybe a specially-oriented set up sweeper over Tentacruel, since Toxic Spikes are not that crucial, and I already have a special wall in Florges... But which Pokemon should I use as a special attacker in such a case? Goodra maybe? Dragalge? Also, I talk about using Excadrill as physical attacker and offensive Rapid Spinner, but is that actually obtainable in X/Y? And if so, where? Would (Mega) Garchomp be a viable alternative? And could I afford to go without Rapid spin in such a case? @ Leftovers Ability: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Atk Adamant Nature - Earthquake - Slack Off - Stealth Rock - Roar A Sand Streamer in a non sand-reliant team? Well, you see, I just needed a Pokemon that could set up Stealth Rock. I also needed some added bulk, an extra phazer and an Electric immunity. And this guy just works fine, the Sand it brings doesn't even bother much, with the new Gen 6 weather mechanics... THE PROBLEM: That moveset looks problematic to achieve in Gen 6... Slaking's family is not there to breed for Slack Off (iirc), and I don't even know if there is a TM for Stealth Rock... However, should I go for something like Excadrill or Garchomp in the physical attacker slot, thus getting myself the much needed Electric immunity, I could actually afford to run something else here, something bulky that is capable of setting Stealth Rocks and maybe to phaze... But is there anything like that in Gen 6? So there you have it: I've clearly explained my problems and my doubts, I will be immensely grateful to anyone who helps to solve at least one of these dilemmas! [NOTE: I haven't put in an importable because this is not supposed to be a RMT for PO/Showdown. If rules still want me to have an importable just let me know and I'll add it] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunaethetic Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 You can get Tyrogue in a Fighting Friend Safari! Also, keep in mind, some Megas gain a lot of defensive stats that make them more bulky as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Ikaru Posted October 28, 2013 Administrators Share Posted October 28, 2013 As much as I love Florges, I'm not entirely sure what it offers to Skarmory as a part of the core- it doesn't resist Fire or Electric, and if you're not using a more offensive set, I think you'd be better off with Sylveon at least, for the higher HP and only slightly lower Sp.Atk. I'm not sure if it gets Heal Bell, though, so I'll look into that myself in a moment. Lucario can get Bullet Punch as an egg move from Hitmonchan, and Tyrogue exists ingame as the occasional third slot in a Fighting-type Friend Safari. Shen'd and I'm also bad at reading don't mind this ^ I don't see Custap Berry being obtainable anywhere ingame yet, unfortunately, and there wasn't a TM for Stealth Rock in B2/W2 iirc, so I don't think there is now either. If you want an electric immunity, the ability to phaze, and something that actually learns it somehow, I think Steelix might be your only choice for that, and I do't think you want another Steel-type. idk I'm mostly just basing this on theory since I'm not all too competitive myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustytengo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Skarmory is found in the game they are found on the outside parts of victory road look for black spots and you will be ambushed from the air its going to be either a Skarmory a fearrow or a hydragon fearrow is the most common to find though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 After testing both a lot, I can actually say that Florges is superior to Sylveon: that extra bulk really helps (hell, she can take Sludge Bomb from Mega Gengar), also she learns Wish and Aromatherapy via level up, while iirc you need to do some intricate breeding to get Wish and Heal Bell on Eevee... Also, where can I find a female Riolu? As an alternative, where can I find a Ditto to breed with the male one you get as a present from the Fighting-type Gym Leader? Because I'd need a female Riolu to breed with Hitmonchan, assuming I can actually obtain the latter... What really bugs me is the lack of Stealth Rock: what is an obtainable, bulky Stealth Rock user in Gen 6? Tyrantrum gets it, but... Well, that doesn't seem a viable supporter/phazer/Stealth Rock user for OU to me... Now that I think about it, Ferroseed exists in the game, and that resists Electric, is bulky and can get Stealth Rock via breeding... Now the problem is, you need to breed Ferroseed with a Pokemon that learns Stealth Rock via level! That means Geodude's or Roggenrola's families... Do those exist in game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustytengo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 yes all those are in the game ditto can be found in the pokemon village geodude or gravler can be found in and around the mineing area where you find the z legendary. Riolu can be found on route three where you can get litleo though thats a rare encounter. Roggenrola can be found in the mirror cave whatever its called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Ok that's great, I just started testing and Ferrothorn seems to be working just fine... I have also started looking for a different option for a Rapid Spinner, and I have come to the conclusion that the best idea would be to use a specially offensive Rapid Spinner in tandem with a physical set up attacker... The options are Starmie+Mega Lucario (which seems better competitively) or Mega Blastoise + something that does not Mega Evolve (which seems easier to achieve in game). Any ideas on a physical set up sweeper to use in the second scenario? The team would consist of Wobbuffet, Skarmory, Ferrothorn, Mega Blastoise and Florges... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustytengo Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 sorry won't be much help with that though if you need to find any pokemon in game i probably know where it is if its in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 So far, the variant with Starmie and Lucario is testing wonders on Showdown... Only, I am worried it would be difficult to create in game, given how painful it is to get Bullet Punch onto Lucario! That's why I had asked for an alternative... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Code: PIRULUK Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Wobbuffet is possibly my favorite Pokemon. Yes even more than Tyrannitar I doubt the credibility of that statement. Also, I though you didn't have a 3DS...? Or did you cave to temptation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomas Elliot Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 I did gave in to the temptation, gathered the money, and got a 2DS... And now here I am! Now, on the topic: I was thinking about using Mega Blastoise as bulky Rapid Spinner and special attacker, and a non Mega Evolving Pokemon as the physical set up sweeper... But what should I use in such spot in this second scenario? I am still trying to find something that is easier to put together than Bullet Punch Lucario... Also, I feel my current build is kinda Fire-weak, given that Starmie is quite frail and cannot repeatedly switch in and out! A set up sweeper that is not weak to Fire and Mega Blastoise would maybe create a more reliable core... Don't know, maybe Talonflame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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