Valentine (5th Gym Battle) - Unbeatable. (V13, normal mode)

[TrizZm4ster]

Hi,

 

sorry for my rusty english in advance. :D

 

I struggel against Valentine, no way to beat her at all. I got to her without any hard trouble - sometimes needed to add a pokemon to my team to succed, but always quite managebale.

(Normal mode)

My current Options:

 

Greninja, Obstagoon, Corviknight, Mr. Mime, Boltund (trained for that battle, but kinda useless), Talonflame, Pancha, Garbodor, Hariyama - All of them are lv 40, with medicore IVs (beside Mr. Mime who got nearly perfect IVs and a Light Clay), no EV Training done.

I got a ok Tangela at 35, who I could grind up to lv 40 also.

 

I start the battle with Obstagoon who uses Obstruct and counter to take out Qwilfish. Val then swich in Floatzel who's facing two Obstructs by my Obstagoon. I loose Obstagoon after that and can only switch in Greninja, because with every other Pokemon he swiches out his Floatzel and I would loose his -4 Defense stats. Greninja takes one brick brake, survives with like 10 HP and OHKO Floatzel. To that Point it is working kinda well -

 

I tried a lot after that point ; whats working kinda best-> Val switches Goldking in after Floatzel getting down, I switch to Mr. Mime who is able to bring up both Shields (lasting 8 rounds) and put out one Magical Leaf against Goldking and than faint. My Corvinight is able to take out both Hyperpoitions against Goldking after and nearly able to kill it - Greninja can kill Goldking - So Im down to a near to death Greninja and 2 free Spots against Lanturn, Dewgong and Primarina.

 

Any suggestions what I should add to my Team? Or any suggestion to change my tactic?

 

Am I right I cant obtain a Thunder Stone and/or a Apophyll Pancake to this point in the game? I got a perfect IV Pichu and a nice IV Charjabug, who probably would be kinda usefull :D

 

Thanks

Tristan

 

[Espeon]

I also struggled against Valarie in my playthrough (although I faced her in V12 - not sure whether a lot has changed since then). My saviour was a Voltorb I still had in the box, which I got from the vendor on the market in East Gearen City who sells you the overpriced PokéBalls. Also make sure to EV train your Pokémon: that should definitely make things go smoother.

 

Hope this helps. Good luck!

[Z..]

I cheesed Valarie with Muk with the set of acid armor, minizmize, gunk shot, sludge wave. 
I first burned it with Bannette then just set up with my Muk and swept her by transforming the field.

Also you should be able to catch a Foongus in the area so make sure to grab one of those the place you are on is crawling with grass types. 
Can you tell us the movesets of all your viable Pokemon?

[TrizZm4ster]

@Z..So just burn Qwilfish, put out Muk, change field, use Minimize plus healing him up and then just wipe out val? Seams reasonable, especially with his op rest Dewgong - Im gonna try that, sounds like a qucik tactic.

 

@EspeonI choosed normal mode over intense, to avoid needing very good IV, EV trained pokemon or only cheese tactics. :D

[Eixenr]

If you don't want to worry too much of IV, EV and all, casual is better suit for you then. Normal mode requires ofc strategies, but also good pokemon with proper training. They don't need to be perfect, but the more you progress, the harder it will become if you just go with the first trash iv mon you find.

(I struggled on some fights even in casual, with EV trained mons and decent IVs on all)

[Nocturne93]

Grass types are great options here, watch out for Ice Punch and Ice Beam though. I think you can get Tangrowth, Tsareena and Shiinotic at that point in the game, and all three of them are decent enough to use against Valarie.

Electric types might seem like an other good option, but the AI will switch to Lanturn with Volt Absorb or Seaking with Lightningrod when you use an Electric move. Electric types are still handy to use in this battle though; all of her Pokémon are weak to Electric besides Lanturn and Seaking. 

[TrizZm4ster]

On 11/20/2021 at 8:08 PM, Eixenr said:

If you don't want to worry too much of IV, EV and all, casual is better suit for you then. Normal mode requires ofc strategies, but also good pokemon with proper training. They don't need to be perfect, but the more you progress, the harder it will become if you just go with the first trash iv mon you find.

(I struggled on some fights even in casual, with EV trained mons and decent IVs on all)

Naa, I played trough Reborn quite easy without it, and in normal mode its also manageable, sometimes a bit too easy. The whole Storyline around that prison was so smooth without beeing close to loose once, so I was thinking to change it up to intense - And then Valerie came up :D

Im not talking about not using strategie, just dont wanna cheese trough a opponent, because its kinda not the sense of a game against a "KI" - In intense I think you wount get around it, so I choosed normal mode. My pokemons having medicore IVs- like not under ~20 on important Values.

 

BTW - Muk worked easy @Z.. thanks.

 

Muk and Tangrowth filed the mentioned missing spots in my Team - Tangrowth OHKOs his Floatzel and just reload all of his HP after.

Edited November 21, 2021 by TrizZm4ster