Certain characters status (spoilers)

[Ermac]

Ok, i don't understand why Zero, Blake and Fern isn't going to jail for they atrocities actions? Especially Zero and Blake. 

[Egzample]

2 hours ago, Ermac said:

Ok, i don't understand why Zero, Blake and Fern isn't going to jail for they atrocities actions? Especially Zero and Blake. 

Have you seen a prison in the Reborn City? That's right, there is only a torture chamber (cut off from the final release I believe).

[Abyssreaper99]

2 hours ago, Ermac said:

Ok, i don't understand why Zero, Blake and Fern isn't going to jail for they atrocities actions? Especially Zero and Blake. 

So basically any Meteor affiliated characters are free from jail for a multitude of reasons. Part of it would likely be having to help out with the UB situation and not causing havoc again. Plus as well Zero, Blake and Fern wouldn't have committed those atrocities without the orders of Lin and Sirius (Solaris never wanted Meteor to head in the violent direction it did, he intended to scare away citizens of Reborn but he isn't without his violent moments). Fern's involvement with Meteor was due to abandonment (emotional and physical) from his sister and wanting to prove a point to her. As shown in the last conversation in Victory Road, Lin exploited those feelings and took advantage of Florinia's blocked off emotional state to twist her words to harm Fern.

Plus a lot of Meteors joined the team under Solaris' helm since when he led it, there was a promise of a new world that was better than this current one. Lots of Meteors come from situations of poor or no families. You can see the shift in lots of Meteor grunts dialogue later on that they're staying on in fear of what could happen to them rather than pursuing that dream once the intentions of Meteor changed (when Lin and Sirius took over). Zero likely joined under that initial premise too but didn't have the capability to make any choices at all due to his reliance on Lumi and Eve. Ace and Eclipse are two of the notable Meteor members to question the change of directions in Meteor's goals which resulted in the latter's soul being burned by Sirius' Chandelure (unsure about Ace's fate as currently progressing through e19 on a new file).

Blake was sort of apathetic towards everything. I think him and Cal joined Meteor initially because they were orphans iirc. Cal obviously regretted anything once he worked on his anger issues (and part of his anger problems may have also stemmed from Meteor involvement, not just his brother). Blake on the other hand didn't care either way since Meteor probably was just a job to him (likely getting paid for it). 

And with Terra, she didn't really care about Meteor's goals either. She joined in because she was bored and wanted a hacking job if I interpretted her pre gym battle dialogue right. But who knows, Terra is Terra. Can the police really deal with her?

One final note, the Reborn police are openly corrupt and incompetent. There may have also been some bribes in place somewhere or another.

 

3 minutes ago, Egzample said:

Have you seen a prison in the Reborn City? That's right, there is only a torture chamber (cut off from the final release I believe).

Well there is the Jasper Ward Police Station so there's probably cells in there. And the Cult place is sorta a prison with those cells in that basement.

[Chairman]

3 hours ago, Egzample said:

Have you seen a prison in the Reborn City? That's right, there is only a torture chamber (cut off from the final release I believe).

Since you are the first person mentioning it, that was a nice scene. Why was it removed? Was it too "disturbing" for some of the audience?

 

But then again, since cigarettes were deemed to be offensive (or rather, suggestive?), i bet a torture chamber would never be allowed to exist. Hooray for supporting artistic liberties and freedom of expression!

Edited May 6, 2022 by Chairman

[andracass]

1 hour ago, Chairman said:

Since you are the first person mentioning it, that was a nice scene. Why was it removed? Was it too "disturbing" for some of the audience?

 

But then again, since cigarettes were deemed to be offensive (or rather, suggestive?), i bet a torture chamber would never be allowed to exist. Hooray for supporting artistic liberties and freedom of expression!

we removed them on our own???????????????

this wasn't something we were coerced into????????????????????????????????

[dovedeity]

24 minutes ago, andracass said:

we removed them on our own???????????????

this wasn't something we were coerced into????????????????????????????????

george orwell wrote a book about this

[Dark Legend]

24 minutes ago, andracass said:

we removed them on our own???????????????

this wasn't something we were coerced into????????????????????????????????

Wait thats gone? 

[Eloquent Liar]

1 hour ago, Dark Warrior said:

Wait thats gone? 

 

The Torkoal-Hot Chair cutscene at the beginning of the game.

 

Honestly though, imagine looking at the entirety of Reborn, the Corey and Taka bits particularly, and thinking that scene of all things would be removed for being "too disturbing" and part of some censorship scheme instead of, y'know, because the devs just didn't want it in the game.

[Aku76]

The guy from the Torkoal scene shows up after you first meet Fern and basically says he used torture enhanced interrogation to get info from the grunt on the street. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by Aku76

[Egzample]

I have mixed feelings about it - I remember the shock value the first time I saw it, it was kind of wake-up slap on where we are and set the tone for the game. On the other hand it felt a little bit off on the second and further playthroughs, when we got to know all the next events.

 

Overall, the final release made the game a little less grim, milder in certain parts. E.g. Fern is much less hateable now, though the character is deeper and has better development arc - and it is not only Fern.