NoxiousNights Posted March 14, 2023 Share Posted March 14, 2023 Hi, I just started playing Desolation and would like to know if/where I can get Rockruff since it's no longer a starter on the beach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global Mods Dred Posted March 15, 2023 Global Mods Share Posted March 15, 2023 3 hours ago, NoxiousNights said: Hi, I just started playing Desolation and would like to know if/where I can get Rockruff since it's no longer a starter on the beach. It is available when you reach Silver Rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vit Posted October 15 Share Posted October 15 I want to use Rockruff>Lycanroc: I then realize my Rockruff didn't have the hidden ability i wanted to get the Tough Claws ability with the Dusk Form. Am i correct that there is no way to change to the hidden ability as no "Ability Patch" exists in desolation, no way to breed for it as no parent will have the ability to pass it down, and no way to catch a new Rockruff? :( I hope to somehow get the optimal Lycanroc... Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luri Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 12 hours ago, Vit said: I want to use Rockruff>Lycanroc: I then realize my Rockruff didn't have the hidden ability i wanted to get the Tough Claws ability with the Dusk Form. Am i correct that there is no way to change to the hidden ability as no "Ability Patch" exists in desolation, no way to breed for it as no parent will have the ability to pass it down, and no way to catch a new Rockruff? :( I hope to somehow get the optimal Lycanroc... Any ideas? Deso has an item called the Ability Capsule that allows you to change your pokémon’s ability. They can be purchased at Pokémon Center Credit Stores for 10 credits each! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudeguyman Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 (edited) The thing is, Rockruff gets Steadfast as hidden ability, not Own Tempo. Own Tempo Rockruff is basically its own specie, kinda like Battle Bond Greninja, so, even with the Ability Capsule, you still need a specific Own Tempo Rockruff event. Still, Midday form is actually faster, even if it doesn't hit as hard, but it's extremely relevant if you want to use its signature Z move to break the field once it's available, and it gets Sand Rush if you're planning to make a sand team and it can get quite bulky since with 112 base speed under Sand Rush it already outspeeds pretty much anything wihtout speed investment. Edited October 19 by dudeguyman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luri Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 6 hours ago, dudeguyman said: The thing is, Rockruff gets Steadfast as hidden ability, not Own Tempo. Own Tempo Rockruff is basically its own specie, kinda like Battle Bond Greninja, so, even with the Ability Capsule, you still need a specific Own Tempo Rockruff event. Still, Midday form is actually faster, even if it doesn't hit as hard, but it's extremely relevant if you want to use its signature Z move to break the field once it's available, and it gets Sand Rush if you're planning to make a sand team and it can get quite bulky since with 112 base speed under Sand Rush it already outspeeds pretty much anything wihtout speed investment. Oh yes, I see what you mean now! You don’t have to worry about your Rockruff not having Own Tempo, Dusk Lycanroc will always have Tough Claws as its ability in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vit Posted October 21 Share Posted October 21 You cannot get your Rockruff to evolve into the Dusk Lycanroc without the hidden ability. It simply will evolve into one of the othwer two, even if times correctly in the evening. Ability capsules do not allow to change an ability to a hidden ability. So the only way to get the hidden one should be with an ability patch. There might be a super complex way to breed for it, but i don't know how. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luri Posted October 23 Share Posted October 23 On 10/21/2024 at 6:15 AM, Vit said: You cannot get your Rockruff to evolve into the Dusk Lycanroc without the hidden ability. It simply will evolve into one of the othwer two, even if times correctly in the evening. Ability capsules do not allow to change an ability to a hidden ability. So the only way to get the hidden one should be with an ability patch. There might be a super complex way to breed for it, but i don't know how. I went back and double checked! I’ve evolved three Rockruffs with each of its ability (Keen Eye, Steadfast, and Vital Spirit) at 7:40 PM and each evolved into a Dusk Lycanroc with the Tough Claws ability in Desolation. Own Temp is not needed to evolve a Rockruff into Dusk Lycanroc in this particular game :) I'll just attach a photo of my experiment just in case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vit Posted October 25 Share Posted October 25 On 10/23/2024 at 2:35 AM, Luri said: I went back and double checked! I’ve evolved three Rockruffs with each of its ability (Keen Eye, Steadfast, and Vital Spirit) at 7:40 PM and each evolved into a Dusk Lycanroc with the Tough Claws ability in Desolation. Own Temp is not needed to evolve a Rockruff into Dusk Lycanroc in this particular game :) I'll just attach a photo of my experiment just in case! I'm impressed about the trouble you went through to check. It is much appreciated. Thank you <3 If you want to bother with my backstory: I played Reborn back when it ended at Agate Cirkus (maybe 60-70% done? relative to final version), and Rejuvenation after that, probably when it was not done either. I'm saying this because i am so damn impressed with the effort that people put into some damn amazing games that give me(and others) so much joy. Back to your comment, it's the same feeling of gratitude. Some stranger i don't know went through some testing trouble that helped me out. I really appreciate it! On a less favorable note to myself: Don't trust ChatGPT when it told you that Lycanroc requires 17-18 PM window to go to the Dusk version. (I notice you have a later time). Clearly this is my mistake, that I should have checked further (sorry), but thank you for helping me out! I finished Pokemon Desolation recently untill what is available in version 6. Without knowing about all the cool sweeper strategies, and team comps, I made a team that I'm proud of: My team: Alolan Ninetales (I used to have Lycanroc here instead, but Ninetales offers more type coverage and Aurora Veil if needed, with Snow Warning ability, to set up a sweeper) Sharpedo (speed boost) Galvantula (Compound Eyes) Roserade (Poison Point) Flygon (Levitate)(Can sweep with Dragon Dance) Blaziken (Speed Boost)(Can sweep with Bulk Up - my classic go-to sweeper) I focused on broad type coverage, high speed mons, with Aurora Veil, and Sticky Web setups if needed for difficult trainers. Most of the time i can just type counter with a faster mon, looking up type counters on pokemondb. If i encounter a difficult trainer, I can set up a sweeper to deal with difficult pokemon. I'm sure there are better teams, but I'm so happy with mine, as it's fast and most of the time doesn't require setup to sweep :-) I used passwords to maximize EV/IVs, and have EXPAll and optimal natures from mints. I wanted the story more than having to spend lots of time getting my mon ready for a fight. What an amazing story! A thought: - A perfection state pokemon required the trainer to only have 1 pokemon, which was stated with the Umbreon as an example. I speculate that Tristan is the one connected to Darkrai, and he was giving all his other pokemon away preparing to reach perfection with Darkrai as his only pokemon. Tristan will be back! Tristan might be the guy in the mirror. (It's not a spoiler, just me guessing on future events?) When i played through initially, i didn't do all the side-quests. So several of them are stuck, like the Jinx guild. I don't like that :/ I even died to the Darkrai with a bad-ending, and had to find an earlier save file which was difficult on Mac, to ensure i could get a 'safer' outcome with the Darkrai encounter. Currently I am considering playing the game through again, doing the side-quests properly, but I still want to have the same team i have above. So I'll have to start over from scratch, making sure I can reproduce this team that I have come to like so much. I believe the most difficult pokemon to get again with the proper hidden nature is Alolan Ninetales, as it seems its nature is determined when you get the egg, and you have to move a lot to see if you got the desired outcome. Otherwise you have to soft-reset and get a new egg. So before I start over, I'm researching if I can make the same team. But damn it's roughly 30-40 hours playtime if I go fast on the dialogue, just to finish some side-quests I didn't know i wanted to do properly the first time i was playing. That's a little rough. I wish there was a way to go back in time(in the game) and do it properly. Maybe another option of getting the same team, would be to play through the game doing it properly, and then transferring the pokemon over. Although I don't think that's possible with the passwords i used. TLDR: I'm planning to play through to do all side-quests properly, but I still want to maintain my beloved team from my first playthrough. Desolation is my favorite pokemon game so far! I'm so damn impressed. Game_2.rxdata 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luri Posted October 27 Share Posted October 27 On 10/25/2024 at 3:20 AM, Vit said: I'm impressed about the trouble you went through to check. It is much appreciated. Thank you <3 If you want to bother with my backstory: I played Reborn back when it ended at Agate Cirkus (maybe 60-70% done? relative to final version), and Rejuvenation after that, probably when it was not done either. I'm saying this because i am so damn impressed with the effort that people put into some damn amazing games that give me(and others) so much joy. Back to your comment, it's the same feeling of gratitude. Some stranger i don't know went through some testing trouble that helped me out. I really appreciate it! On a less favorable note to myself: Don't trust ChatGPT when it told you that Lycanroc requires 17-18 PM window to go to the Dusk version. (I notice you have a later time). Clearly this is my mistake, that I should have checked further (sorry), but thank you for helping me out! I finished Pokemon Desolation recently untill what is available in version 6. Without knowing about all the cool sweeper strategies, and team comps, I made a team that I'm proud of: My team: Alolan Ninetales (I used to have Lycanroc here instead, but Ninetales offers more type coverage and Aurora Veil if needed, with Snow Warning ability, to set up a sweeper) Sharpedo (speed boost) Galvantula (Compound Eyes) Roserade (Poison Point) Flygon (Levitate)(Can sweep with Dragon Dance) Blaziken (Speed Boost)(Can sweep with Bulk Up - my classic go-to sweeper) I focused on broad type coverage, high speed mons, with Aurora Veil, and Sticky Web setups if needed for difficult trainers. Most of the time i can just type counter with a faster mon, looking up type counters on pokemondb. If i encounter a difficult trainer, I can set up a sweeper to deal with difficult pokemon. I'm sure there are better teams, but I'm so happy with mine, as it's fast and most of the time doesn't require setup to sweep :-) I used passwords to maximize EV/IVs, and have EXPAll and optimal natures from mints. I wanted the story more than having to spend lots of time getting my mon ready for a fight. What an amazing story! A thought: - A perfection state pokemon required the trainer to only have 1 pokemon, which was stated with the Umbreon as an example. I speculate that Tristan is the one connected to Darkrai, and he was giving all his other pokemon away preparing to reach perfection with Darkrai as his only pokemon. Tristan will be back! Tristan might be the guy in the mirror. (It's not a spoiler, just me guessing on future events?) When i played through initially, i didn't do all the side-quests. So several of them are stuck, like the Jinx guild. I don't like that :/ I even died to the Darkrai with a bad-ending, and had to find an earlier save file which was difficult on Mac, to ensure i could get a 'safer' outcome with the Darkrai encounter. Currently I am considering playing the game through again, doing the side-quests properly, but I still want to have the same team i have above. So I'll have to start over from scratch, making sure I can reproduce this team that I have come to like so much. I believe the most difficult pokemon to get again with the proper hidden nature is Alolan Ninetales, as it seems its nature is determined when you get the egg, and you have to move a lot to see if you got the desired outcome. Otherwise you have to soft-reset and get a new egg. So before I start over, I'm researching if I can make the same team. But damn it's roughly 30-40 hours playtime if I go fast on the dialogue, just to finish some side-quests I didn't know i wanted to do properly the first time i was playing. That's a little rough. I wish there was a way to go back in time(in the game) and do it properly. Maybe another option of getting the same team, would be to play through the game doing it properly, and then transferring the pokemon over. Although I don't think that's possible with the passwords i used. TLDR: I'm planning to play through to do all side-quests properly, but I still want to maintain my beloved team from my first playthrough. Desolation is my favorite pokemon game so far! I'm so damn impressed. Game_2.rxdata 411.09 kB · 1 download Honestly, going through a bit of experimentation is no biggie to make sure ya could use the Lycanroc of your choice. I’m just glad I could help! Enjoy your spikey friend <3 Tbh I totally forgot about the whole evo method of mainline Dusk Lycanrocs (it’s been a hot minute since I’ve used one), hence my first suggestion. Wasn’t until dudeguyman commented I was like oh duh silly me, that was a bit of a flub on my part xD. I wasn’t quite sure if the time was the contributing factor here, so I added that just in case. Glad I did! No need to apologize, it happens~ Looks like ChatGPT needs to go study the pokedex again. Its times are a bit off lol! Quite a solid team there. Sound strategy too, who needs defense when the opponent can’t even use a move :3 I feel ya, I quite enjoy the challenge and the fights and occasionally beating up smug trainers like Connor, but the story is what draws me in. I hope your team helps you with the challenges we will face come the next version! Yep yep, Perfection requires a strong bond between a trainer and a pokémon…that said that’s actually kind of an interesting idea about Tristan! If ya feel up for it and have some more theories on the story ya should totally pop on over to the Thoughts & Theories thread. We’ve been chatting about all sorts of aspects of the story and characters. It’s always exciting to hear other’s ideas and perspectives about all the mysterious goings-on! I don’t wanna bog this particular thread down with too many non-Lycanroc related topics but I *might* have some time-saving tips. Dunno if ya know either of these tips but there is a nature changer in Deso too. He’s in Cellia South, next to the Pokémon Center. Costs 5 credits per nature change. So, if you have some spare credits laying around, ya can go change Alolan Ninetails nature to the preferred nature instead of soft-resetting for it. Also holding down the Esc key scrolls through dialogue much faster than mashing through it. Saves quite a bit of time if you just wanna book it through the dialogue without reading it. If ya do know all that…well I tried! xD Ditto, I adore the others, but Deso has to be my fav as well. Have fun with your next play through! :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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