Kamina Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 100th reply.... sorry had to do it <: . But while where in this subject how about the newly released pokemon i think diancie is definately OU material but i'm not so sure about the mega latios and latias. there base stats and moves are in serebii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Can I make a request for you guys to update this mon into ubers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 100th reply.... sorry had to do it <: . But while where in this subject how about the newly released pokemon i think diancie is definately OU material but i'm not so sure about the mega latios and latias. there base stats and moves are in serebii. I'm only worried about Mega Latias at this rate...it'll be too damn bulky to kill. Also it gets Recover and Roost so yeah. Mega Latios might be in the same boat - I mean, 160 base Special Attack is a lot - but idk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Well, they're banned with Soul Dew, which is likely less powerful than the mega stones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiozo Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 To be fair, I thought Clefable was pretty good now, but I could have sworn that was already banned along with general evasion stuff when we went through that whole ordeal last time... The last time, we dropped the ban because there was issues with ability bans. Don't feel bad; I didn't know either until after it was dropped and it caused a large issue on the server where I got called out as a corrupt auth when all I said was "I'm going to remove someone from a tournament if I find them using a banned ___". So yeah, it was definitely something we needed to stay vocal and informative about. Side note; Clefable was always fine but not common, and people ran Unaware Quagsire anyway because of it's powerful ability to wall sweepers. It's good that there is something, but another thing comes into play there: Overcentralization. If it gets to a point where only one or two things can deal with something and they're used only for that reason, that's overcentralizing a portion of the meta and that's means for bans of the threat. That's what happened in Gen 4 with Salamence. Agree with the point; not the example. Salamence was removed because it completely stopped Stall teams in their tracks, and offered no counterplay. That's the same thing Genesect is doing right now, honestly, but I would like to see what happens first before I need to elaborate because everything seems kind of up in the air right now. Well, they're banned with Soul Dew, which is likely less powerful than the mega stones If I recall correctly; they're providing a 1.5 boost to Special Attack/Defense, so damage calculations and resistance calculations would be preferred before I would acknowledge any "maybe" ideas, honestly. Simple things, no need for 80 examples. Soul Dew Lati using an attack vs Mega Lati, same EV's/move/target, and same thing for defensive aspects. It'll be interesting to see what the other stat changes look like, as I haven't seen anything yet. Also Dana, I will stab you with those sunglasses in the most friendly way possible Edit: I forgot to multiquote about Darkrai; Darkrai might not be a defensive wonder; but it's certainly not frail. It has 70/90/90 defenses; again not great, but 70 isn't a weak HP stat, considering that it gets 90 in both defenses. You also have to take into account that it's made to be an attacker, and while Sleep Clause helps, it's certainly able to just scoff putting to sleep something it's 135 Special attack can handle. Especially while it can outspeed anything below 125. And if you have something that can deal with that? You can just be put to sleep on the next time you try to switch it in. I equate it to what Breloom would have been like had it been faster, just with different typing. And the most important reason I wanted to reply to this, even though I agree with Ikaru in the "let's focus" idea, if you bring this down, and then think that it would be an equal to Genesect, and that is a good reason to keep both down, what you're doing is just overcentralizing more than one threat, and causing one tier to become another. It's completely degenerating the idea behind this process. I don't want to see the same two Pokémon on every team. Especially if they have to be used to check each other over anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 But darkness is love, Kio! DARKNESS IS LOVE!!! Anyway, I think this discussion is pretty much done with. Most people are in agreement about the current Mega Pokemon being banned to Ubers, or at least the people who have spoken up about them. But I don't really see anyone defending them either, so... I suppose the big question is when changes will be made. Just so we're clear: Kyurem-B Ubers-->OU Manaphy Ubers-->OU Zygarde Ubers-->OU Darkrai Ubers-->OU Mega Lucario OU-->Ubers Mega Sat-Kangaskhan OU-->Ubers Mega Gengar OU-->Ubers Mega Blaziken OU-->Ubers Genesect OU-->Ubers I know some might be disappointed by that, but it seems to be the majority here. Is that accurate? Can we please close this topic and move on with our lives now. Go auth go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaShaymin Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I need my Mega kang by my side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 If I recall correctly; they're providing a 1.5 boost to Special Attack/Defense, so damage calculations and resistance calculations would be preferred before I would acknowledge any "maybe" ideas, honestly. Simple things, no need for 80 examples. Soul Dew Lati using an attack vs Mega Lati, same EV's/move/target, and same thing for defensive aspects. It'll be interesting to see what the other stat changes look like, as I haven't seen anything yet. I don't really know. I choose to not look at leaks until their official reveal. But I would certainly like to see damage calculations. My assumption of the mega stones being better was because it would be pointless for there to be a new stat boosting item for them that is inferior to the current one. Though Knock Off and Trick would lose their usefullness on megas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindrop Valkyrie Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 the boost for Soul Dew is .5, so in total 1.5 Special Attack. No Idea what the stat changes on on the megas are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Mega Latios goes to 160 Sp. A Also, I thought regular KFC was getting the boot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaShaymin Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Sometimes I feel like Aegislash should be Uber beacuse its like a classic sweeper if you can set up Edited March 9, 2014 by OmegaShaymin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Sometimes I feel like Aegislash should be Uber beacuse its like a classic sweeper if you can set up Aegislash can't take down some of the most common OU walls. At +2 it threatens Ferrothorn, but it can't do much against Skarmory and Gliscor, while Skarmory can Whirlwind it away, and Gliscor can destroy it with Earthquake. EDIT: This doesn't relate too much with the topic, but i just wanted to say it... Edited March 9, 2014 by Vinny953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 When it comes to the Mega Latis, they'll probably just do what they've done with other Mega bans: banning out the item. No need to even stress over either of the Megas, to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevaleresse Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 also: http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-xy/380.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanco Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Also, I thought regular KFC was getting the boot? No. Still beatable in here. Fire/Fighting is not a pretty coverage core, especially with Talonflame and the new Fairy type. It's also a frail mon that uses Flare Blitz and High Jump Kick as the core of its damage, not to mention Fire/Fighting is god-awful defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 No. Still beatable in here. Fire/Fighting is not a pretty coverage core, especially with Talonflame and the new Fairy type. It's also a frail mon that uses Flare Blitz and High Jump Kick as the core of its damage, not to mention Fire/Fighting is god-awful defensively. Wait, are you really talking about defensive typing capabilities on a pure offensive mon like Blaziken? If that's your counter-argument as to why something isn't ban worthy, then you really don't know what you're talking about. I don't mean to be rude, but with that logic any sweeper is now "weak" because it has low defenses or poor defensive typing. As for Fire and Fighting being offensive types, they are amazing STABs, especially Fighting. Fire also has it's share of power, and while most people use Flare Blitz and HJK as core moves, they aren't the only things available that do damage as well. You also can't forgot the access to other moves like Earthquake, Shadow Claw, Night Slash, and now with Fairies being a thing Poison Jab is even a semi-potential move to run as well. All that on top of top tier offensive stats and Speed Boost, combined with the ability to get a free set up of it off with Protect or go for a stat-up turn on the right match-up with SD or Hone Claws, make it broken. There isn't much counterplay to Blaziken after it gets +1 or 2 Speed and the same with Attack, let alone if it Mega Evolves. As for being on a team for coverage, it doesn't need to be that way so long as you play it right. You literally get free stat-ups and kills if you don't ruin it for yourself by sending it in on the wrong thing. As for Talonflame, I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. If you're referring it to be a wall for Blaziken, then you're not thinking of it's usage correctly. Yes, you get Priority flying moves like Brave Bird/Acrobatics, but that doesn't make it a counter. It's a damn good revenge killer, but for something to be a counter you must be able to switch it in and force a switch no matter way. If a Blaziken is set up already, which they almost always are, your Talonflame will likely die on switch in before it can actually kill. Again, feel free to disagree, but if you're going to argue why something isn't overpowered, don't use defensive typing and stats for an offensive mon and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raindrop Valkyrie Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 as said before Blaze only really has checks, as if you switch in Talonflame or Azumarril and they predict it you die (for Azumarril it is a bit harder, but it is possible). Coverage-wise Fire and Fighting is pretty darn effective on a sweeper, only being resisted by 42 Pokes. Blaziken also isn't bothered by Fairies either so that isn't a good argument at all. Being Part Fire Type isn't super Effective on him, and if he gets a speed boost up (which will almost always happen if they aren't dumb and switch it into your mon that would beat it.) it will out speed most of them (even on base speed.). and they don't resist Fire type moves, so Flare Blitz will most likely kill them in a hit. Once again though the What-ifs are very hard to quantify in Pokemon as there are so many possibilities and you have a team for a reason. one would obviously take things that get around what Their Kicking Chicken can't handle and then set-up a sweep. But that fact that others need to have something for Blaziken or be mauled by it once again over-centralizes the meta, So I feel regular Kicking Chicken should also be banned, but I would like to hear others thoughts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamina Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 everything seems good maybe a vote on genesect and regular blazakin since i think some people might be shy to post their opinions but yea they should be implemented which renzo said and 6g ou should be default!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wes Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 as said before Blaze only really has checks, as if you switch in Talonflame or Azumarril and they predict it you die (for Azumarril it is a bit harder, but it is possible). Coverage-wise Fire and Fighting is pretty darn effective on a sweeper, only being resisted by 42 Pokes. Blaziken also isn't bothered by Fairies either so that isn't a good argument at all. Being Part Fire Type isn't super Effective on him, and if he gets a speed boost up (which will almost always happen if they aren't dumb and switch it into your mon that would beat it.) it will out speed most of them (even on base speed.). and they don't resist Fire type moves, so Flare Blitz will most likely kill them in a hit. Once again though the What-ifs are very hard to quantify in Pokemon as there are so many possibilities and you have a team for a reason. one would obviously take things that get around what Their Kicking Chicken can't handle and then set-up a sweep. But that fact that others need to have something for Blaziken or be mauled by it once again over-centralizes the meta, So I feel regular Kicking Chicken should also be banned, but I would like to hear others thoughts as well. This man gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 The thing with Blaziken, is that you basically have to bring a Pokemon specifically to stop it. And even then, it can just switch out and let one of its support Pokemon take that out before returning to destroy everything in its path It's so broken it's not even funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted March 16, 2014 Administrators Share Posted March 16, 2014 This has gone on plenty-long already, so I'm closing this and we're going to finally get some stuff up on the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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