Sapphire Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Because 'the user stiffens it's muscles' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Again, Wring Out is special. It doesn't matter if you don't think it should be, it is. The only reason Chatter is allowed is because people wanted a gimmick special attacker. Aside from that, it matters not whether the move legitimately fits, the tier is all physical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimming95 Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thats what I don't get... if its a gimmick tier, all moves that fit the description should be in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Thats what I don't get... if its a gimmick tier, all moves that fit the description should be in... Exactly. I don't understand why you would just randomly pick chatter with chatot and say it can be in but other special moves that seem to fit cannot. you're picking and choosing and it does not make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 No clue how Chatot ended up in aside from being a gimmick, I wasn't there for that decision. Beyond that, the rule goes to no special moves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 It was put in for sheer lolz value. Aside form that, no special moves. The end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Yeah, that's what I thought. The tier is a Fight Club themed all-physical tier, with Nasty Plot x Chatter as a silly gimmick with no real purpose (though apparently it can work sometimes)I motion that we go ahead and add Acrobatics, it fits with the theme and I don't think it will break anything, the tier isn't as all-fighting as it first seemedI'd also suggest we go ahead and ban Rayquaza? I know that it isn't banned because Ice Punch, but it's also just about the only thing in the tier Ice Punch is needed for (Unless you want to count Chatot XD) Grass and Ground types don't appear much. I'm tired though ATM, so I'm shore there's another type Ice is effective on that I totally forgot and is sorta common. But if there isn't, then having to give up a moveslot to have Ice Punch and counter Rayquaza seems sort of silly. And it's clearly demonstrated it's ability to dominate the tier (Though I have little trouble with it personally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted April 5, 2014 Author Share Posted April 5, 2014 Acrobatics-I'm all for it. Fighting types are still the most common type, but not as much as we originally thought. As for Rayquaza, have a vote on it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuckles Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Having a couple "gimmick" moves that go against everything else in the tier completely destroys the idea of a tier, no matter how much of a "lolz value" it has. It's stupid and ridiculous. If you won't take it out then surely you have to put more in. Well, regardless, it's good that Acrobatics will be in and Rayquaza will be out. Edited April 7, 2014 by chuckles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Updated the move list. I'll make sure to let Swimming or Nyu know to update the tiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimming95 Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Noted, I will update it when I get a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I update my list as well when I canVoting on Rayquaza sounds good, how are we gonna do it?And you know what Chuckles, you don't have to like it, but that's how it is. Just give it up, no special moves outside of Chatter. The entire tier was made for lolz anywhales, it's not something hyper-serious and you really shouldn't treat it that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Added a poll for Rayquaza's ban. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 No... Ban Chatoto(Lel Chatoto...) Chatot instead... #ChatterOP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Pfft. You're kidding, right Vinny? Rayquaza is far deadlier than Chatot. Chatot is nearly worthless, though not entirely. It can work, but it has such minor defenses that neutral hits can kill it relatively easily. And it doesn't even really have the Speed to outpace things for confusion, though this tier can be pretty slow Edited April 7, 2014 by MasterWeavile898 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Pfft. You're kidding, right Vinny? Rayquaza is far deadlier than Chatot. Chatot is nearly worthless, though not entirely. It can work, but it has such minor defenses that neutral hits can kill it relatively easily. And it doesn't even really have the Speed to outpace things for confusion, though this tier can be pretty slow Kyra pls, take a joke lady But on Rayquaza, i don't think it needs to be banned... But that might be bcuz i run Ice Punch a bit more than necessary... oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 A lot more than necessary, probubbly, because Rayquaza and Golurk are the only things I've seen so far that it's effective on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 A lot more than necessary, probubbly, because Rayquaza and Golurk are the only things I've seen so far that it's effective on And now that i think about it, Rayquaza is the main reason as to why i run Ice Punch... Hmm... *Changing vote* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Exactly. When you're bringing a certain attack or Pokemon just to counter a singular other Pokemon, and the attack is also relatively pointless otherwise, then there's a problem You know, I have yet to see a Dragonite, you'd think someone would be running one. Ice Punch would also help against that. I'd definitely run Ice Punch on at least one Pokemon, even if Rayquaza is banned. Just in case Dragonite starts popping up, and because Dynamic Punch Golurk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 I run Dragonite. Also Ice Punch is good vs. Groudon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Side note: Tempest could put the (Poll) next to the title, so people know what's popping... otherwise we're not going anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamitako Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Oh do you? I didn't realize that. I suppose I have seen one then. And that's true, so add Groudon to the still relatively small list of things Ice Punch beats. I can't really think of anything else that would be highly effective on Groudon, so it is very useful for thatStill think Rayquaza is a problem, even if not just because of Ice Punch (That's just my top argument) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Side note: Tempest could put the (Poll) next to the title, so people know what's popping... otherwise we're not going anywhere... That work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) That work? Hopefully it will... EDIT: Now i see no poll... am i blonde? (I had to...) Edited April 7, 2014 by Vinny953 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Hopefully it will... EDIT: Now i see no poll... am i blonde? (I had to...) I broke it. Give me a sec.The mobile site breaks polls. Good thing I have a flash browser for my iPhone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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