Administrators Amethyst Posted April 4, 2014 Administrators Share Posted April 4, 2014 So whereas the other topic is for coming up with ideas on which shiny changes to make, this is for actually implementing them. And fair warning, this is where I am going to get really picky. Keep in mind we need both front and back sprites for everything. Back sprites should be Gen V style-- Feel free to take the files from the Game Folder/Graphics/Battlers to edit but when you do be sure you grab the non-shiny backsprite for editing since the existing shiny back files are Gen IV style I'll keep the list below updated of what's been done and what hasn't. Also, these ideas are not immutable. If you have a better idea, feel free to make that one too- but again, no promises that it'll get used. Bulbasaur- Match VenusaurIvysaur- Match VensuraurVenasaur- Toxic VenusaurCharmander- Match charizardCharmeleon- Match charizardCharizard- Charizard XSquirtle- Teenage Mutant Ninja Squirtle!!Wartortle- Match SquirtleBlastoise- Match SquirtleCaterpie- Match butterfreeMetapod- Match butterfreeButterfree- Pink butterfree from animeWeedle- Match BeedrillKakuna- Match BeedrillBeedrill- Ice Drill/wingPidgey- Match PidgeotPidgeotto- Match PidgeotPidgeot- I guess black? Unless we can do something that looks like Bird JesusRattata- MatchRaticate- League of Legends' TwitchSpearow- Match FearowFearow- Maybe look like a vulture?Ekans- Match ArbokArbok- Hazmat pattern on wings; different colour body?Pikachu- Match RaichuRaichu- Black/RedSandshew- SANICSandslash- WHAT THE FUCK IS A SANICNidoranF- MatchNidorina- Match NidoqueenNidoqueen- MechaNidoranM- MatchNidorino- MatchNidoking- MechaClefairy- MatchClefable- GengarVulpix- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Ninetales- Acceptable as defaultJigglypuff- MatchWigglytuff- Maybe a light blue or somethingZubat- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Golbat- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Oddish- MatchGloom- MatchVileplume- Valencia Island VileplumeParas- Zombie ParasParasect- Zombie Parasect white/redVenonat- matchVenomoth- maybe a firey venomothDiglet- CrystalDugtrio- CrystalMeowth- BlackPersian- BlackPsyduck- BlueGolduck- GoldMankey- Match?Primeape- Covered in blood? idek. Alternatively grey base fur and maybe red gloves instead of brownGrowlithe- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Arcanine- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Poliwag- MatchPoliwhirl- MatchPoliwrath- blue > Azurine water colourAbra- Mimic PULSE formKadabra- MatchAlakazam- MechaMachop- ZombieMachoke- ZombieMachamp- ZombieBellsprout- MatchWeepinbell- MatchVictreebel- Baseed on this http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02082/pitcher-plant_2082228i.jpgTentacool- Red/pink-- "Ruby of the sea"Tentacruel- Black/redGeodude- BlackGraveler- Coal-ishGolem- MoltenPonyta- Match RapidashRapidash- Rainbow DashSlowpoke- Shellder coloursSlowbro- Match SlowpokeMagnemite- ReservedMagneton- ReservedFarfetch'd- MikuDoduo- MatchDodrio- PinkanSeel- MatchDewgong- WalreinGrimer- MatchMuk- Mimic PULSE-- This is a passable front sprite http://prntscr.com/36wqkmShellder- Match Slowbro shiny shelderCloyster- Match ShelderGastly- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Haunter- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Gengar- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Onix- CrystalDrowzee- MatchHypno- ReservedKrabby- Match KinglerKingler- ClawitzerVoltorb- UltraballElectrode- Masterball!Exeggcute- Match ExeggutorExeggutor- Base the heads off of Ocarina of Ages's seocnd boss; body to matchCubone- Match MarowakMarowak- Ghost MarowakHitmonlee- Rock LeeHitmonchan- Little MacLickitung- Match Lickilicky (Reverse colours)Koffing- Match WheezingWeezing- Reverse smoke/bodyRhyhorn- Match RhyperiorRhydon- Match Rhyperior (Black/silver)Chansey- Match Blissey (Ashen with traces of red)Tangela- ReservedKangaskhan- Reverse colours of parent/childHorsea- Match KingdraSeadra- Match Kingdra (Dragalge colors)Goldeen- Black/orangeSeaking- reverse white/blackStaryu- StarmieStarmie- Teal/blue/purpleMr.Mime- ReservedScyther- Squire ScytherJynx- League of Legends' jinx colors.Electabuzz- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Magmar- Match Magmortar (Black/Purple)Pinsir- MechaTauros- Gradient fur sections, going darker towards rear OR SOMETHING IDKMagikarp- Acceptable as defaultGyarados- Acceptable as defaultLapras-White/purpleDitto- Acceptable as isEevee-Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Vaporeon- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Jolteon- Only back-sprite needed. See existing shiny front sprite for reference.Flareon- Magenta base fur, darker purple collarPorygon- RBY style!Omanyte- Match Omastar Omastar- ALL HAIL HELIXKabuto- Match KabutopsKabutops- BlackAerodactyl- DevilSnorlax- Snowman SnorlaxArticuno- WhiteZapdos- Black body, becomes white at tips (or yellow)Moltres- Dark body, magenta-range flame (purple red parts of it)Dratini- Match DragonairDragonair- Dragonite coloursDragonite- Dragonair coloursMewtwo- Match MewMew- Acceptable as is Have at it! 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Rawr-Ma-Ama Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) First of all .... anyone... please tell me when I´m doing too much, otherwise I´ll spam everything I wanna make cuz I feel like it xD Poliwrath-evolution line. First two pokemon aren´t THAT different from the original shiny, but that´s because their blue is already nice. They´re a bit brighter and blue-ish though, and Poliwrath doesn´t have that ugly green anymore. And since I like Eveelutions a lot, I´m gonna add their Gen V backsprites Flareon- Magenta base fur, darker purple collar Uhhh... Like this one? Tried to make the collar purple and the body magenta, so that´s how the false prophet looks now. Do I have to do male and female sprites both? Are those actually in the game? ^^" Cuz I never see the difference xD Ah well, just to be safe: Male and female zubat backsprite, since frontsprite already exists: Females have a pixel shorter teeth... Wow Shiny-backsprite for Golbat ;D Red/Pink Tentacool? Well, I hope that one is cool enough ^^ Cuz it said "Ruby of the sea" and I took the ruby part a bit literally and gave it ruby colors ;D Edited April 4, 2014 by UnprofessionalAmateur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted April 4, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted April 4, 2014 No, you're doing great. I was actually hoping you'd pick up some of these because you do well with them Ruby of the Sea is a reference to the anime-- Misty says that Tentacool are called that in one of the early episodes of the anime so I wanted to embody that. The other Tenta family you did wasn't bad, and it did help me to realise that it was probably the body that needed to be the vivid colour. This take is pretty good. With Poli- family I think my notes were a little unclear, so sorry about that. In writing, "blue > whatever" I meant like, change the the blue to the Azurine colour-- that tawny brown pollution lake colour, so it's like the water type has absorbed the region's pollution. Thinking about it, maybe bonus points if this is made more clear by that colour (or maybe even the rancid wine colour from the factory) being imprinted as splotches across Poliwrath, like the pollution shows up as murk-coloured hives or something on its body. That might be pretty difficult though. Unless it's something pretty obvious (like Hippowdon) I'm not concerned about gender differences. I'll take whichever looks cooler. Marked all those except Polis off the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr-Ma-Ama Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 I don´t get most references to the anime, only one I´d get is probably "GARY MOTHERF****** OAK" xD Maybe it´s because I never really watched the anime ^^" I thought it should be azure blue Ah well, azurine lake´s color would make more sense I guess. I´ll try making those splotches on them. The problem is that when I try using that wine color from the factory´s pollution, it looks more like blood than some kind of pollution. So shall I use the default color and try to make blobs on it with the color of the azurine lake or should they look bloody? I´d like to try making blobs and so on on them, can´t promise anything though , it already sounds pretty difficult and I´m not really some kind of pixel-artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brockze Posted April 4, 2014 Share Posted April 4, 2014 So yeah, I don't have enough time to do the others, but here's black dragonite! Also, I wasn't sure about scyther, so did you mean this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted April 4, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted April 4, 2014 I´ll try making those splotches on them. The problem is that when I try using that wine color from the factory´s pollution, it looks more like blood than some kind of pollution. So shall I use the default color and try to make blobs on it with the color of the azurine lake or should they look bloody? I´d like to try making blobs and so on on them, can´t promise anything though , it already sounds pretty difficult and I´m not really some kind of pixel-artist I could see how that would be an issue. Feel free to tweak it or use blending colours. Play around with it~ So yeah, I don't have enough time to do the others, but here's black dragonite! Also, I wasn't sure about scyther, so did you mean this one? Right. I like the concept with Scyther, but aside from needing a back sprite I probably wouldn't include this sprite in the game as is. It shares some key issues with that dragonite recolour in that, firstly, we're losing the contrast of the shades so the image appears flat, and secondly, some of the outline pixels don't pop enough which makes it appear less crisp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freya Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) I've never done pixel art before, so I'm not sure if these are good enough for the game. But hey, might as well give it a shot! edited for transparency issues whoops Edited April 5, 2014 by Freya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr-Ma-Ama Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Well, I tried to play around with the colors a bit, like painting those whine-red colors from pulse-muk´s pollution as dots on it, but I dunno if it´s alright as it looks now. I also gave it the azurine color as well, so now it´s really diry. Poor thing Ah well, before I work on the evolutions, I wanna post it here so I know if it´s alright as it is or if there is anything I could improve Edited April 5, 2014 by UnprofessionalAmateur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvius Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Is this what you meant by 'zombie'? If you like it, I can make the whole evolution line, but it takes quite long so I just did this one for now Edited April 5, 2014 by Calvius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr-Ma-Ama Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Well, I took that passable Muk you linked and I made it´s colors a bit darker by taking the original colors from the polluted water and so on ;D Then I wanted to make it´s tongue brown-ish, like the water from the azurine-lake, but I kinda like that radiation-green tongue. A wild SANIC appeared. Now I found out what Sanic is. I mean I didn´t want my ears to be destroyed by that remix or anything like that when I looked it up xD I also tried to make a rainbow-dash shiny, but I dunno if I should remove the other flames or color them. So it´s still not done. Also done another one without flames and hooves. Edited April 5, 2014 by UnprofessionalAmateur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr-Ma-Ama Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Is this what you meant by 'zombie'? If you like it, I can make the backsprite and the whole evolution line, but it takes quite long so I just did this one for now I´m not the one to decide if this is good or not (I think it looks awesome though, really like the missing arm and finger ^-^), but to me it looks more like a skin colour an alien invader would have ^^" why not have a brighter, blue/grey skin color? Like a greyer version of the actual Machamp? Like making it look like the skin color of a dead machamp that just died? Just my two cents I throw in here, wait ´till Ame says something about your Machamp before you do anything :3 EDIT: Ah damn, I already had a post I could add this to. Can someone add this to my previous one? ^^" Edited April 5, 2014 by UnprofessionalAmateur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 (edited) Personally, I don't see why you couldn't just post again... That way we don't need to go back and check your old posts each time... EDIT: Didn't know that was a double post, nvm. Anyway, I took a shot (or two) at Kabuto and Kabutops. If they're okay'd, then I'll go ahead and make the back sprites. Not sure which is better, though I think I prefer the black/white one. Edited April 5, 2014 by Flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 EDIT: Ah damn, I already had a post I could add this to. Can someone add this to my previous one? ^^" I'll make an execption on this... Cuz your other post is about your sprites, so i think it's better (It keeps things more organized) to leave it like that, even if it's a double post... If any other Staff members disagree, feel free to say it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvius Posted April 5, 2014 Share Posted April 5, 2014 Okay, here we have Machop and Machamp. Anyone here having ideas for Machoke? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted April 6, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted April 6, 2014 I've never done pixel art before, so I'm not sure if these are good enough for the game. But hey, might as well give it a shot! edited for transparency issues whoops That's not too bad... I think it just needs a bit of cleaning up. Specifically, the outlines around the feet, both facings, and then the pixelation shading around the tail as a whole on the back sprite and very tip of the tail on the front. Well, I tried to play around with the colors a bit, like painting those whine-red colors from pulse-muk´s pollution as dots on it, but I dunno if it´s alright as it looks now. I also gave it the azurine color as well, so now it´s really diry. Poor thing Ah well, before I work on the evolutions, I wanna post it here so I know if it´s alright as it is or if there is anything I could improve Poliwags look great; I'll put those in once we have matching evos Well, I took that passable Muk you linked and I made it´s colors a bit darker by taking the original colors from the polluted water and so on ;D Then I wanted to make it´s tongue brown-ish, like the water from the azurine-lake, but I kinda like that radiation-green tongue. A wild SANIC appeared. Now I found out what Sanic is. I mean I didn´t want my ears to be destroyed by that remix or anything like that when I looked it up xD I also tried to make a rainbow-dash shiny, but I dunno if I should remove the other flames or color them. So it´s still not done. Muk looks good; I'll put that in. With Sandshrew, can we get more contrast in the shades of blue? As it is we're losing the definition of its scales. Sandslash... is a bit better, but are those colour shades on the same actual colour? Could we make the 'spikes' a bit darker than the rest of its body? I know that's not a sonic thing but it'd look a bit truer to Sandslash. With Ponyta, go with whatever the original sprite is. Personally, I don't see why you couldn't just post again... That way we don't need to go back and check your old posts each time... EDIT: Didn't know that was a double post, nvm. Anyway, I took a shot (or two) at Kabuto and Kabutops. If they're okay'd, then I'll go ahead and make the back sprites. Not sure which is better, though I think I prefer the black/white one. I'm not sure how I feel about Kabuto's eyes. Try using a darker colour on their outline so they blend in? If that looks weird, then at least make them match that red. I personally like the red one a bit more but either is good. How about others? Okay, here we have Machop and Machamp. Anyone here having ideas for Machoke? Machop looks pretty wicked, I'm not gonna lie. However, I'm a bit hesitant to go on dramatically changing the shape of something for what's officially just supposed to be some colouration differences. Now granted, we are taking some creative liberties here, but... I dunno, what do others think? Do you think it would be jarring for a shiny Pokemon to have its head like that even if it is for a shiny theme? I like this Machamp colouration better so I have it quoted here. However, I think the shades could contrast just a bit more, (towards darker). Also, it's done pretty well on Machop but there are some places where its wounds could be blended in better using darker shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure how I feel about Kabuto's eyes. Try using a darker colour on their outline so they blend in? If that looks weird, then at least make them match that red. I personally like the red one a bit more but either is good. How about others? I didn't really know what to do with the eyes. >.< Here are some other ones to take a look at. I personally like this blue for the white/grey version. Another version, using the same shades of grey as on the legs. I thought this looked pretty good, too. I tried darkening the default colors here. I don't think it looks terrible, but... meh. Here it is using the same shades of red, like you suggested. And here it is with the grey colors from the grey/white version, but I don't think it turned out too well. I'll try any other ideas you might have if none of these will work. Machop looks pretty wicked, I'm not gonna lie. However, I'm a bit hesitant to go on dramatically changing the shape of something for what's officially just supposed to be some colouration differences. Now granted, we are taking some creative liberties here, but... I dunno, what do others think? Do you think it would be jarring for a shiny Pokemon to have its head like that even if it is for a shiny theme? I like this Machamp colouration better so I have it quoted here. However, I think the shades could contrast just a bit more, (towards darker). Also, it's done pretty well on Machop but there are some places where its wounds could be blended in better using darker shades. Are the mecha versions of Nidoking/Nidoqueen just supposed to be recolors too, then? Or are they different? I personally wouldn't mind using things like these as shinies, but I do love my blue Nidoking... Edited April 6, 2014 by Flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 Machop looks pretty wicked, I'm not gonna lie. However, I'm a bit hesitant to go on dramatically changing the shape of something for what's officially just supposed to be some colouration differences. Now granted, we are taking some creative liberties here, but... I dunno, what do others think? Do you think it would be jarring for a shiny Pokemon to have its head like that even if it is for a shiny theme? Would you consider making a pool for it? I don't know, i like the design a lot... Although i'm sure some people are not going to accept this... So, pool or not? (It's only one pokemon for now, so i don't think it's really that bad...) Another version, using the same shades of grey as on the legs. I thought this looked pretty good, too. If we keep the "black and white" Kabutops, i think this one's really good... Just my opinion though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted April 6, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted April 6, 2014 I agree, those eyes look good for the silver kabu line. I think for the red variant, that penultimate version you posted will be the one to go with. But the question is, Red or Silver in the first place? Perhaps this and the other shiny question would each make good poll topics. Vinny, or someone else, might you fire those up in the Reborn City section please? As for the mecha thing, The final Nido evolutions already have very segemented bodies, like metal parts stuck together. I think when recoloured to silver, it will suffice to sharpen some edges and corners and draw in a few nuts and bolts. There are other forms that I marked might make good mecha variants (open to interpretation) so the same goes for them. But to the point, I don't think that those will require too drastic of changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I agree, those eyes look good for the silver kabu line. I think for the red variant, that penultimate version you posted will be the one to go with. But the question is, Red or Silver in the first place? Perhaps this and the other shiny question would each make good poll topics. Vinny, or someone else, might you fire those up in the Reborn City section please? Done... Hopefully, it's not going to die without answers... If it does, oh well... you can create it, i guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I tried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brockze Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) I'd say colour some of the plates differently, just to add emphasis of the mecha bit? Also I don't feel blue is the best colour for the electricity/energy/whatever flow... EDIT: I decided to make the Little Mac Hitmonchan, so here he is! But, because I think you guys need a bonus (and because I was bored), have the special Ghost version! (Disclaimer: Ghost Little Mac-chan will not appear in-game. Pokemon do not die. Ever.) Edited April 7, 2014 by Jacze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I'd say colour some of the plates differently, just to add emphasis of the mecha bit? Also I don't feel blue is the best colour for the electricity/energy/whatever flow... Really? I honestly can't think of anything that would look better than blue to me... I was kind of going for that Tron look I guess. Looking back, it's not as bad as it seemed when I first finished it. Also, I don't know if you actually intended it for in-game use or not, but I'm pretty sure Amethyst has said that auras can cause problems and not to use them. (Unfortunately... I actually prefer that version, so I hope it can work.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brockze Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) They weren't really intended for game use beyond my own? Ghost Little Mac Hitmonchan is a very specific type. And on the other thing, I was thinking something like this...: ...I guess I thought orange would work. Edited April 7, 2014 by Jacze Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flux Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Welp, I'm going to wait for Ame's thoughts before I try anything else on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Amethyst Posted April 8, 2014 Author Administrators Share Posted April 8, 2014 ...I guess I thought orange would work. I think the first one here is a bit closer to what we're going for. But, let's set aside the tron stuff for now. As admittedly cool as that would be, I think it's going to be very difficult to do that well without overstepping what we can reasonably, and neatly, do in these sprites. I think there's merit to the idea about some of the segments being darker, too. Working from Flux's sprite: Clean off the blue. It's a neat idea, but not what we need for now, sorry Let's use a darker metal for the middle segment of its arms, the area above its shoulder/below its ear (but leave the spikes), and the segments above its knees. Give it back the white of its eyes. In Jacze's sprite this is the yellow bit-- let's just have it be one of the light silver shades though Having its mouth orange is a little weird; let's make that a dark colour. Perhaps keep the teeth visible like in Jacze's. The jaw-bolt looks great though. Lighten the outline on top of the front ear and top-most spikes. Notice how in Jacze's, the outline shade is a bit lighter in these areas. Use a colour darker than the outline in Jacze's, and lighter than the outline in Flux's. Apply that same outline colour to blend in the dark pixels at the tip of the tail as those black pixels are looking a bit isolated and jagged there. There's like two stray black pixels on the far side of Nido's face that look like they don't belong. This is a really strong start. I know you showed this to me before on the server, but now that I'm really taking the time to look at it, a couple details: Its skin looks a bit more yellow that it needs to. Maybe make it something in between Little Mac's skin colour, and Hitmonchan's default skin. If that looks too light, make his shoes black, and use the a slightly lighter shade of grey from the current shoes. Little Mac's belt is white-- this is gonna take some redrawing since they just use the shade of outline for the black, I think. The red part of the bottom is popping a little too much. I think it's the brightness, but it's hard to say with reds. Make that section a little less bright, and slightly less saturated. Don't mistake my finickiness for a lack of appreciation, you guys are a huge help. Keep it up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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